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Post by rayiner »

partiallypro wrote: post #437
pclmulqdq wrote: post #402

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I'm not sure most people here have seen the corner of Twitter known as "black Twitter." This is the part of Twitter where people (most of them from racial minorities) discuss things like "the Jews are keeping minorities poor," and "abortion is racist eugenics." I don't know how they don't all get banned, but they somehow have a very vibrant community. The level of antisemitism that Kanye (no, I will not call him "Ye"…

Anti-Semitism and anti-Asian views are pretty popular in the black community (I can't say to what degree but high enough that it shows up in hate crime stats), just as much as it exists in the white community. It gets swept under the rug and never really addressed; I've even seen that the idea that minorities can't be racist (even towards other minorities) being actively perpetuated on social media. I think that shou…

In my experience, anti-Asian views among black people and anti-black views among Asian people are more common than either among white people.

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Post by UncleMeat »

mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

Unless this is also bluster.

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Post by Xelynega »

blagie wrote: post #719
shadowgovt wrote: post #512

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I don't see anything in Elon Musk's past operation of businesses as CEO that suggests to me he's going to have a better sense of how to run a social network than the previous operators. I predict the best case scenario is that he does no worse.

Ho boy was Twitter mismanaged up to now. I think that's why he bought it.

Mismanaged according to who, him? He bought it because he forced the stock price down with the announcement and was forced into buying it.

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Post by dathinab »

mikeryan wrote: post #703
josh_carterPDX wrote: post #420

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"Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers." I actually think the opposite is going to happen. He's already said he wants Twitter to be the most prolific site for advertisers saying that he thinks advertising can "delight, entertain, and inform you." If he introduces a subscription model TikTok will pull ahead and take over the entire social media space.

From advertisers perspective TikTok has already won in the social media space. It’s going to take another year or so for advertisers and TikTok to figure it all out but from talking to the guys who do focus on brands social media spends they can’t get on TikTok fast enough.

Through from what I have heard TikToks handling of ad money (how it goes to the creator) is bad and their handling of copyright is even worse.

On the other hand YouTube shorts can already technically do most things TikTok can, and handles copyright okay (from the pov of the big copyright holders) and has licenses for a lot of music and stuff and created an ad model making it much more interesting for people to create shorts then TikToks and allows using shorts as a way to get someone hooked for longer videos. And there are GeoPolitical reasons why regulators might want to push YouTube over TikTok e.g. by how they create regulations.

So there is a realistic chance that in the next 1 or two years YouTube Shorts will eat up TikTok due to better quality Shorts for the user and better monetization/money making chances for the creators.

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Post by silisili »

sangnoir wrote: post #270
TulliusCicero wrote: post #196

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This is rather confusing to me. Earlier this year he seemed pretty set on the idea of allowing whatever's legal, making Twitter all about free speech. But now it'll just get some minor changes? If it's true, why the change of heart?

His money is now on the line: He has sunk $44B and has to get it back somehow. It is no longer a cute thought experiment, but cold, harsh reality.

Don't see it happening in his lifetime...unless he changes it radically and just bought it for the user base, which honestly is probably closer to the truth.

Even if he fired everyone, and got free hosting, it would take nearly a decade to get that back. But that's obviously not realistic.

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Post by rayiner »

Zagill wrote: post #634
catiopatio wrote: post #547

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I “still” haven’t wrapped my head around it because not once have I been presented with non-tautological replacement definitions for “man” and “woman”. I will immediately change my mind and recant my views — here and now! — if someone provides: - A specific definition of what “gender” is, if not a synonym for “sex” - Non-tautological definitions of “man” and “woman” that are consistent with your definition of “gender…

Gender is all about social interactions. For example, blue and pink being "masculine" and "feminine." Is there any relation to male or female chromosomes that would make blue appropriate for someone with X and Y chromosomes, and pink appropriate for someone with 2 X chromosomes? Of course not. Same goes for wearing makeup or high heels. At a different time in history, those things would have been considered "manly" b…

What about wanting to quit their jobs and take care of babies? That’s social/behavioral, so part of what you’d call gender. But it’s also rooted in biology.

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Post by llanowarelves »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #687
duxup wrote: post #50

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>maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience It's either going to be a double standard or not. I moderated a busy gaming site for years. Users have nothing to do but re-post what got someone else banned and then complain things aren't consistent. I would find the idea that a politician gets to say things, but I don't completely absurd.

Things start to get weird when you're talking about heads of state and/or official government policy. If the contents of a law violates Twitter's TOS, can we not disseminate it on Twitter?

At some point big social media might have to be made a utility and or nationalized, assuming we want a de-jure government to be our real government, and not a constellation of corporations acting as a de-facto one.

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Post by coldtea »

shadowgovt wrote: post #512
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

I don't see anything in Elon Musk's past operation of businesses as CEO that suggests to me he's going to have a better sense of how to run a social network than the previous operators. I predict the best case scenario is that he does no worse.

He has to surpass a very very low bar...

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Post by micromacrofoot »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #196
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

This is rather confusing to me. Earlier this year he seemed pretty set on the idea of allowing whatever's legal, making Twitter all about free speech. But now it'll just get some minor changes? If it's true, why the change of heart?

well he did just put the company he bought $13bn more into debt, good to take a breather

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-see...

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Post by School-Cotton »

Zagill wrote: post #644
peyton wrote: post #514

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It’s a distinction some guy just made up not too long ago. I can see why some people might not consider it a fact of the universe.

Gender as a concept distinct from sex is a way of describing an existing social phenomenon. Gender, though traditionally tied to biological sex, changes over time. What we define as "masculine" and "feminine" traits change as society changes, and can even differ between societies, despite the fact that male and female chromosomes have not changed. Just because no one had described this distinction before the last cen…

The terminology of the debate gets confused a bit because while indeed the expectations of people’s behavior, dress, etc. based on their sex is indeed a social construct and has been probably since the beginning of humanity, that wasn’t what “gender” meant until very recently. As far as I can tell, “gender” and “sex” were completely synonymous until 50 years ago, even in niche academic communities, and until maybe 10 years ago among the general public.
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