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Post by dragonwriter »

duxup wrote: post #50
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

>maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience It's either going to be a double standard or not. I moderated a busy gaming site for years. Users have nothing to do but re-post what got someone else banned and then complain things aren't consistent. I would find the idea that a politician gets to say things, but I don't completely absurd.

> I would find the idea that a politician gets to say things, but I don't completely absurd.

That’s been Twitter’s official policy since they got criticized a lot for giving Trump passes on generally applicable rules in the runup to and just after thrbe 2016 election: they changed the rules so governments and sufficiently prominent public figures have wider latitude.

Musk selectively loosening restrictions on those who already have the loosest restrictions would be... well, not at all surprising.

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Post by partiallypro »

ajross wrote: post #538
ajross wrote: post #507

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> In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. That's mischaracterizing what was said. Here's the actual article: https://babylonbee.com/news/the-babylon-bees-man-of-the-year... This is ridicule, quite clearly. I won't get into the "is it or is it not a hate crime" bit, but this isn't "merely" stating anything. The term "biological sex" doesn't even ap…

I'm going to reply to my own comment to extend the last point, because I think it's important to point out: I think it's clear, and that everyone would agree, that if you showed up here on HN making fun of another commenter for their gender in exactly the way that the Bee did, using exactly the same words, that you'd be banned. And we'd all agree that you should be banned. I think the logical trap that the "free spee…

There aren't public figures on HN like this, and people make fun of some public figures here sometimes regardless. You also can't compare a massive platform like Twitter that has a broad range of discussions and allowances with HN which is a very niche forum on very niche topics that surround tech.

It's like comparing someone being banned from your school chess club for being mean vs banning someone from the entire school district for being mean. It's not comparable. Twitter and Facebook are massive public forums, to the point where they are nearly public utilities that are privately owned.

An example: you would have your post removed if you posted that topless Elon photo with his weird body structure and made a comment about it, but on Twitter/Facebook that flies...because they aren't niche forums.

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Post by freejazz »

ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #650
freejazz wrote: post #555

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Well, good luck having a readable twitter then

I don't think the problem is whether Twitter is readable. The problem is whether it is advertisable for Twitter: whether advertisers will complain about being placed next to a tweet.

Who are they going to advertise to if its not readable?

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Post by rayiner »

andsoitis wrote: post #656
partiallypro wrote: post #406

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The piece satirized the confusion between sex and gender. It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." It's still a highly debated topic and well within the public sphere of debate. Also, this person was a public official and was in the news from general news outlets (named Woman of the Year) which puts them well within the public realm of…

> It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that sex is a social construct. Gender yes. And that gender and sex are orthogonal. And that gender is a spectrum but sex in humans is binary. Maybe I missed the evolution of the conversation but I don’t think I’ve seen any volume of argument that sex is a soc…

Orthogonal means uncorrelated. Sex and gender are in reality highly, though not perfectly, correlated.

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Post by dragonwriter »

mikkergp wrote: post #126
Krasnol wrote: post #78

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Based upon his build up, this will be a fig leaf/scapegoat . I don't see anything in his behaviour which would justify your "optimistic" outlook. Sure it won't degenerate in one of those gutter platforms right away but I doubt he'll be able to maintain an acceptable level as long as he's directly involved. He just doesn't make the the impression of an adult person. imho this may end up being really good for the rest…

This might be true, in which case maybe he brings jack nack or another executive in? I think jack expressed he wasn’t interested.

Jack is launching his own new social media effort, and announced it publicly immediately after the Twitter deal closed.

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Post by such12 »

freejazz wrote: post #599
such12 wrote: post #378

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> Here's some evidence. These are opinion pieces. > They ruled to allow state legislatures to override voters by changing state law to allow that No they didn’t. Nothing in the pieces linked states this. > and an upcoming case to watch, where they're expected to further undermine laws: This isn’t a meaningful sentence.

"These are opinion pieces." That refer to facts such as throwing out the voting rights act, and the decision on gerrymandering? Maybe try reading the opinion pieces??

Nobody has ‘thrown out’ the voting rights act. That’s an opinion. Part of it has not been upheld as constitutional.

The decision on gerrymandering is real.

But you seem to be thinking this is evidence of a conspiracy to end democracy rather than just normal bias. Even that piece admits that gerrymandering was invented by the democrats. This is just normal US politics at work.

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Post by Danin »

Waterluvian wrote: post #373
concinds wrote: post #368

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Twitter ignored multiple reports of personal threats directed at me specifically (involving concentration camps and general death threats, etc.) "This tweet doesn't violate Twitter rules." People I didn't know, who I had zero negative interactions with before. That was way before Musk. You just can't have human moderation at that scale. They have to brainstorm how to prevent these tweets in the first place, rather th…

That’s awful. And I’ve also witnessed the same kind of abuse that goes ignored. Has any large social media site ever solved this? 4chan does by having no rules: if you show up, expect the absolute worst of humanity. Reddit does by having countless volunteer moderators who basically do 98% of the moderation. Facebook suffers from the same problems as Twitter.

4chan has rules, albeit incredibly lax and with biased enforcement, but they are enforced (see /bans) eventually. Many of the larger boards seem perpetually and woefully understaffed which gives the impression that it's a lawless website to a casual observer, but depending on the time of day it's likely just the case that there's an insufficient amount of jannies to deal with the volume of posts, with posts being deleted upwards of an hour after being posted.

One of the more notable examples of rules being enforced on 4chan was its stance and subsequent banning of anything relating to Gamergate, causing a large part of the community to leave for 8chan. Or more recently the removal of the /qa/ board for cross board raiding.

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Post by enumjorge »

mikkergp wrote: post #95
duxup wrote: post #50

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>maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience It's either going to be a double standard or not. I moderated a busy gaming site for years. Users have nothing to do but re-post what got someone else banned and then complain things aren't consistent. I would find the idea that a politician gets to say things, but I don't completely absurd.

I mean, if you think that “everyone is happy with Elon’s content moderation strategies” was one of the possible outcomes, well then I disagree, I think Elon is going to take heat for content moderation across the political spectrum.

> I think Elon is going to take heat for content moderation across the political spectrum

The difference now is that Elon went from being one of the loudest members of the peanut gallery to the guy running the show.

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Post by jl6 »

thelopa wrote: post #608
mbesto wrote: post #427

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> It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." What? Since when is sex a social construct?

I think they’re being glib, but sex absolutely is a social construct. What exactly constitutes THE properties of the female and male sex is defined by society more than biology. For example, people who have androgen insensitivity syndrome develop perfectly normal looking “female” bodies, but their genetic sex is “male”. People generally still consider those individuals to be “female”. If you want to get down to it, a…

> What exactly constitutes THE properties of the female and male sex is defined by society more than biology.

This might be true for the incredibly tiny minority of intersex individuals who defy categorization, but for >99.9% of people it’s not true at all, and challenging the meaningfulness of a word based on such rare edge cases is a huge overstatement of how controversial this is.

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Post by such12 »

freejazz wrote: post #597
such12 wrote: post #263

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> (including the supreme court) This seems like paranoid thinking. The Supreme Court has shifted ideologically to the right, but I haven’t seen any evidence they are part of a conspiracy to end democracy.

Hmm, why don't you wait until they let state legislatures throw out elections to be so sure?

You mean they haven’t actually done anything to undermine election results?
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