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Post by wowokay »

dleslie wrote: post #385
luxuryballs wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t think Kanye is mentally ill or anti-Semitic, people are just claiming both or either of those as a way of “poisoning the well” about what he’s actually saying, check out this recent interview with ex-CNN Cuomo: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQwaOfBb-s8

Ok, I bit. At 6:50 he explicitly decides to "call out" all Jewish people, and makes a claim that he's a victim of their behaviour. > "And what I'm doing, I'm calling out the Jewish community as a whole to say. People say to me, all, we grew up on Ye. Talk to your brother, ask him why is Ye upset? Everybody, all they [the Jewish Community] want to do is silence and shoot the messenger." That's plainly antisemitism.

If it is I think the term needs to be reviewed. In fact if people want to get sensitive about their racial identity then they need to focus on the actual words and tone.

Especially when it seems like alot of the time people are called racist or sexist for sharing a viewpoint that in their view is accurate.

For example, whenever I run into drivers that don’t react to a light change I have noticed it tends to be a woman with a phone in her hand.

I’m sure someone would take issue with my experience listed above, but I feel like I should have the right to make such a comment without backlash, because in my experience that observation holds true.

My point is I feel like context and history are important.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by klipt »

DoctorNick wrote: post #350
partiallypro wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Kanye's ban, he's just a mentally ill person. I don't think he meant "death con" he just didn't know that it's actually "def con." His remarks are still reprehensible. Twitter's whole moderation problem has been it i…

> Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. I am very afraid for the future of twitter now. Hate speech is going to run rampant on that platform now.

It's funny how "KillAllMen" trended on Twitter and that wasn't considered hate speech, but calling a woman a man is?

Actually I guess that's consistent, if you think men are lesser beings who deserve to be killed, then it makes sense you would also think that the worst possible thing you can do to a woman is call them a man.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by mytailorisrich »

FireBeyond wrote: post #453
mytailorisrich wrote: post #425

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You're obviously ignoring 'de facto standard', which makes Twitter pretty much a utility in my opinion, hence my comment. Anyway, it is simply shocking that so many think it is the 'correct way' to disallow what they don't agree with and that they are, like you, so aggressive about it to the point of shutting down any dissenting opinions, as is happening here. It's a big regression from the heights of the enlightenme…

What is your opinion on Parler deleting anti-Trump messages? Or liberal viewpoints? Or r/conservative banning people who have posted on any one of a number of other subreddits, sometimes before they've even posted in r/conservative?

Whataboutism...

Edit:

Not only that but also transparently disingenuous. I don't know r/conservative (my comments are not about liberal vs conservative and I find odd that you and others immediately frame them that way) but a dedicated 'conservative' subreddit is obviously not the same as Twitter, which, again as become the de facto standard for most political and news communication.

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Post by nemo44x »

mjr00 wrote: post #55
addingadimensio wrote: post #20

It would be amazing if a council with diverse viewpoints could even sit together without killing each other in this day and age. Does this exist anywhere?

Yes, this is how social interaction in the real world, or even smaller online communities, has worked for ages. It's only on pseudonymous mega-sites like Twitter, Reddit and HN where jumping down people's throats for having an opposing viewpoint is even a thing.

Have you been anywhere near a university lately? There’s a contingent of super militant students, supported by certain faculty, that spend their time policing who is allowed to have a “platform” and what’s acceptable speech.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by BitwiseFool »

jonny_eh wrote: post #323
partiallypro wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Kanye's ban, he's just a mentally ill person. I don't think he meant "death con" he just didn't know that it's actually "def con." His remarks are still reprehensible. Twitter's whole moderation problem has been it i…

"he's just a mentally ill person" That has very large influence and is spreading and inspiring hate [1]. Mentally ill or not, he's causing real-world damage. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/banner-kanye-right-los-...

I don't think a bunch of attention seeking lunatics holding a banner over a bridge counts as "real-world damage". Especially when it seems to have galvanized everyone in power to denounce them and pledge their support to fight against similar groups.

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Post by moojd »

Waterluvian wrote: post #407
concinds wrote: post #393

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The way I'd solve it is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33377423 Basically, more siloed converations would ironically create a better "public town square", because it would reduce the need for moderation and allow freer speech. > That’s awful. And I’ve also witnessed the same kind of abuse that goes ignored. Honestly, it wasn't. Maybe due to my temperament (and I certainly received far less hate than high-…

Hmmm. Would you consider that to be similar to the Reddit model of cloistering themes so that unlike-minded people aren’t artificially pushed together?

Fairly moderating a single massive global community is an unsolvable problem for both scale and cultural reasons. The current dominate model for social media will not work in the long run. Breaking down the task into sub-communities that are given moderator power helps with both the scale and cultural problems. Reddit however seems to be moving away from this model by deemphasizing the autonomy and identity of individual communities for a broader, singular reddit community.

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Post by a-dub »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #225
a-dub wrote: post #86

but what about "full self moderating?!" jokes aside. there actually could be some opportunity to do some really cool stuff like some kind of experimental political science. like, mechanisms for population clustering and distribution of representation. like, running human clustering algorithms and then using the size of those clusters to allocate representation. a blueprint for future attempts at stable democracy that…

Twitter isn't a government entity. If anything, simply removing algorithms and stop suggesting content and let people set rules on how much or what type of content by other users is seen is sufficient.

content moderation in any form is policy, is political, is governance. they're talking about setting up a council with diverse viewpoints, that's an attempt at representative government!

they already support blocklists and most of the content it suggests is directly related to your activity on the site. it seems they have a small random factor, but it's pretty easy to ignore or block if you don't like it.

but honestly, that's not really the issue. i think it's more a matter of a change in the fabric of how humans communicate and organize. everyone can see that it's powerful, nobody is quite sure or agrees on what the adoption curve looks like. some think you just throw it out there and wait for the dust to settle, others think that's a path to armageddon and that a dampened rollout is necessary. who knows what's right, but there's a good chance we're about to find out.

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Post by gpm »

smcl wrote: post #438
Waterluvian wrote: post #264

I got a 7 day ban for a tweet that included “political suicide pact” as an idiom. I then got permanently banned for including the line, “sending their children to die in Ukraine” in a tweet. The “appeal” button causes me to get a denied email within one minute. This tells me no humans are in the loop on any of this. I don’t think these tweets were controversial or require any diversity of viewpoints. They just requir…

On the other hand, I’ve reported posts for using racial slurs (you know the one) and for calling for genocide … and been cheerfully told they didn’t break any rules but that I can block the user if my feelings were hurt. These sites aren’t moderated ideologically, they’re moderated randomly

And really, random moderation is inevitable at scale. It's always going to be a judgment call made by different people in different moods.

You can spend more money to reduce the std deviation, and spend less while increasing it, but you can't eliminate the randomness.

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Post by matwood »

Krasnol wrote: post #306
matwood wrote: post #142

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Musk had to borrow quite a bit of money to close the deal. Those looming debt payments will force real business decisions.

He lost money before on his childish outbursts. Why is this supposed to be different?

The scale. A million here and there for him is nothing, but billions is real money, even for him.

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Post by nemo44x »

wexomania wrote: post #455

I wonder who will decide what diverse viewpoints means exactly.

Yes - the boundaries on it. I’m sure the most woke collective believes they are diverse. So what does diverse mean? What’s included in that?

Far left anarchists? Far right fascists? Do Furries get a voice in the council?

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