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Post by smcl »

DoctorNick wrote: post #350
partiallypro wrote: post #280

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Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Kanye's ban, he's just a mentally ill person. I don't think he meant "death con" he just didn't know that it's actually "def con." His remarks are still reprehensible. Twitter's whole moderation problem has been it i…

> Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. I am very afraid for the future of twitter now. Hate speech is going to run rampant on that platform now.

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listenallyall wrote: post #22
dang wrote: post #14

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> The HN story about Babylon Bee is off the top 5 pages despite generating 100+ points and 300 comments in 4 hours. HN seems to have its own "moderation council" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33371795 It set off the flamewar detector.

I hear you, and I appreciate you stepping in to explain. But I think if you read the comments, they were quite respectful considering the level of controversy about this topic. Certainly a more civil treatment than Reddit or Twitter. If we can't debate here, the only outlets become much more toxic communities.

We moderate HN threads by the HN guidelines, not by what's going on on the rest of the internet. By HN standards it is certainly a flamewar. Hard-nosed ideological battle and name-calling are not what we want here. The flamewar detector got it right.

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Post by pclmulqdq »

pbreit wrote: post #316
fasthands9 wrote: post #134

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I think one reasonable policy could be "form a council of diverse viewpoints and only ban someone if they all (or mostly all) agree the person should be kicked off" and another reasonable policy could be "form a council fo diverse viewpoints and ban someone if one (or a couple) think the person should be kicked off. I think its fair to say the committee will end up being a scapegoat - but to be charitable to the idea…

As long as it's legal, why ban anyone? The bar should be VERY high.

Ostensibly Twitter has to make money, and most companies do not want their ads to be seen next to blatant antisemitic messages.

In the crazy clown world in which we live, Twitter could theoretically kick off all the advertisers and become Elon Musk's self-promotion platform (which it already is), but I doubt the other investors would go along with this.

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Post by jonny_eh »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #362
jonny_eh wrote: post #329

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Removing a tweet and removing a belief are two very different things.

Not really: we see on Reddit all the time how subreddits quickly descend into herds that can only upvote accepted ideas and instantly downvote to oblivion or ban anything even neutral (much less antagonistic to the subreddit’s worldview). Anybody who comes by with a different take immediately loses interest in the group and so there’s a self-perpetuating system that makes the group more and more fanatical about right…

"deleting tweets for wrong-think"

When did this happen? Are you referring to tweets that promote anti-semetism like Ye's? Or to tweets advocating for political violence, like Trump's?

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foobarian wrote: post #284
SilverBirch wrote: post #248

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Firstly, I don't think it's a hive mind. All of the threads I've read through have been absolutely split between people who broadly think he's over-estimating himelf/underestimating the problem and people who think everyone else is over-estimating the problem and under-estimating him. I think the crux of it for me, is that whilst Musk comes at this fresh, he's not proposing fresh solutions. He has repeatedly suggeste…

The minute he takes the company private his job there is done. Everything else will follow from the new incentive structure.

I think you need to be more specific than that. Before twitter was private, it was run by a group of people who were generally pro free speech but who had experience to know the real conseuences of inaction, and therefore had put in a framework to ensure that they could stay advertiser friendly. Musk has declared he also wants to be advertiser friendly, but also has big business interests in national defence, and in China. Surely, if anything he's more prone to being influenced than the previous team.

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Post by hexis »

slg wrote: post #345
partiallypro wrote: post #280

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Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Kanye's ban, he's just a mentally ill person. I don't think he meant "death con" he just didn't know that it's actually "def con." His remarks are still reprehensible. Twitter's whole moderation problem has been it i…

>Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Twitter banned the Babylon Bee for targeting a random and rather anonymous bureaucrat that likely isn't among the 1000 most powerful people in government in the US for the sole purpose that she is trans. This target…

This is the random and anonymous person, right? One of USA Today's 2022 Women of the Year? https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/opinion/2022/03/13/rachel-...

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Post by partiallypro »

khuey wrote: post #386
base698 wrote: post #363

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If democracy got you Trump why would more democracy be the solution?

Democracy didn't get us Trump. The Electoral College got us Trump.

The electoral college is still democratic. You're confusing direct democracy with democracy in general. The US is a Republic, which is democratic with general safeguards to prevent mob rule. I can't stand Trump but this is and always will be such a weak argument. If you can control the Senate you can win the electoral college and both parties have done so in the past 20 years back and forth very consistently. Trump would have lost to basically any other candidate, the Democrats have only themselves to blame.

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Post by xyzzyz »

slg wrote: post #345
partiallypro wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Kanye's ban, he's just a mentally ill person. I don't think he meant "death con" he just didn't know that it's actually "def con." His remarks are still reprehensible. Twitter's whole moderation problem has been it i…

>Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Twitter banned the Babylon Bee for targeting a random and rather anonymous bureaucrat that likely isn't among the 1000 most powerful people in government in the US for the sole purpose that she is trans. This target…

Babylon Bee was not first to “target” Levine. Washington Post, for example, has run an article on Levine before Bee, also for the sole purpose of Levine being trans:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/19/levine-tran...

If WaPo can bring out “random bureaucrats” to public attention for sole reason of being trans, why can’t Bee do the same?

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Post by josh_carterPDX »

mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

"Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers."

I actually think the opposite is going to happen. He's already said he wants Twitter to be the most prolific site for advertisers saying that he thinks advertising can "delight, entertain, and inform you."

If he introduces a subscription model TikTok will pull ahead and take over the entire social media space.

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