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Isn't that, itself, bias? Why wouldn't Muhammad Ali receive the same consideration, given that he considered his birth name representative of racial oppression?
1. Ali specifically is moot since he won an Olympic Gold Medal (and his first professional world championship) under his birth name. 2. If calling black Muslims by their birth names were currently used as a way of signalling racism, then I suspect WP would adopt a policy for that as well.
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Both Reddit and Twitter were basically free for alls until 2015 or so. Their user numbers were growing strongly. So I don't buy the whole offensive speech is going to drive off users angle. Spam is a different story, but Elon Musk has never said he is going to allow that.
Why not allow spam? Surely the marketplace of ideas should be as free and open as possible?
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Except both sides say the same things in different ways. The side that limits bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia (as you say)... explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc), racial prejudice, glorification of transgender and homosexual values. I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it.
> explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc) The alt-right is specifically a hate group. They're defined by their racism and bigotry. This is a prime example of "you want to censor us because you disagree" being claimed in bad faith. You're familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance, right? There's no way you're not, it gets brought up in every thread that talks about censorship. > I…
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If you're going to call something "disinfo," that thing should at a minimum be required to be untrue.
Maybe you don't understand what disinformation is. It's not just about saying things that are factually untrue, because that's easily countered. More often it's about changing the interpretation or emphasis to promote a preferred narrative and/or create an illusion of popular support. Other times the goal is just to sow confusion or conflict. For example, consider how "good guy with a gun" incidents are covered by th…
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I'm seriously suggesting that denying someone's place in society is denying their existence, yes. Conservative government officials, media commentators and militias are regularly attacking transgender people with real-life consequences. It's not just legislative attacks and information campaigns, but harassment and violent attacks. It's a culture of hate, and there is no excuse for it, and it should be called out.
>I'm seriously suggesting that denying someone's place in society is denying their existence, yes. What do you mean denying someone's place in society? Are there are bunch of conservatives denying jobs to trans people or something? You are being too hyperbolic. >Conservative government officials, media commentators and militias are regularly attacking transgender people with real-life consequences. It's not just legi…
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119
https://www.adl.org/research-centers/center-on-extremism
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2022/01/05/a...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
Causal racism + transphobia + xenophobia + scientific illiteracy + the impact font = conservative memes
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti...
> I have yet to see any hate.
You have, it's everywhere. Just drop in any of these words (gender study, transgender, sea level rise, climate change, sustainable development, liberal, Democrat, socialism, feminism, globalism, women's rights, representation, diversity, science, education, racial justice, critical race theory, mainstream media, vaccine, Hunter Biden, George Soros) as a bait to anywhere on conservative spaces and watch the hate flow.
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> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ Twitter is already a cesspit of toxicity because of the lack of free speech. This won't make it any worse.
I mean, you don't have free speech here either. Mods will absolutely come in and remove content and ban you for many of the same things Twitter will.
Obviously (IMNSHO) Twitter must be a little less strict than a niche forum, but it would be a great start for Twitter if they were as balanced as HN is: here you get a talking to or a ban if you deserve it - regardless of what side you belong to.
On Twitter it seems you can get away with some amazing things (haven't I seen death wishes?) if you are clearly left leaning.
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how many times has he been called "Kanye West" in headlines and news stories in the past couple weeks? nobody gives a shit about deadnaming him, because he's a Bad Guy Saying Bad Things, which proves that there actually is a political conditional on the supposed core moral value of "deadnaming is an utterly terrible thing to do, always, and there's never any excuse for it". I've tried repeatedly to bring this up onli…
Not using a vanity name of a celebrity is not exactly the same as deadnaming. If Ye would have chosen John as his first name I could see it being similar, he obviously had a reason to change it, maybe he hates Kanye, but he choose Ye, because it sounds cool. People should still respect his decision, but it's still not the same.
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Going forward, you're absolutely correct. I would have fewer objections to a Gen Z trans woman being woman of the year in 20-30 years, because odds are she could have transitioned young enough to be subject to sexism in her career and therefore yes, we should celebrate her overcoming that obstacle, just as we would a cis woman. Also I have no problem with trans women receiving awards where they didn't have advantages…
I don't get the logic. Just because older women have experienced discrimination it doesn't mean that older trans women should too. I'm sure Levine had her fair share of obstacles too, but it shouldn't be up to some oppression olympics to decide who deserves what and when. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression_Olympics > Now we get trolling from everybody I don't know what are you talking about, but feminist lesbia…
A lot of awards for women are there to celebrate women who accomplish things in the face of obstacles and giving them to women who have not experienced THOSE obstacles is counter to the point. Similarly, Caitlyn Jenner was not discouraged from being athletic growing up whereas a cis woman was, so no, she didn't have to struggle for her fame in the same way a cis woman athlete from that generation would have.
Imagine giving a trans man who transitioned as a middle aged adult an award for being a man in a woman dominated profession (Like a nursing association declaring him 'man of the year' or something). That trans man would not have been discouraged from that path because of how he was born.
Basically, the logic is that the award isn't actually just about gender (despite being called 'man of the year' or 'woman of the year') - the award is 'person of gender X who did cool thing Y because cool thing Y is notable from gender X/rare from gender X'.
A lot of trans activists have a severe case of presentism where they react as though all of recent history should be looked at as though these things happened in 2022. They also like to strip context from things. Like it or not, Levine, as someone born in 1957, received advantages for being AMAB (from how OTHER PEOPLE treated her - I have no idea how she conceived of herself most of her life, that's private). Did she get ALL the advantages a cis man would get? No. But she also wasn't disadvantaged in the same way a cis woman would have been. Levine would never have had to worry about planning pregnancies/being fired for getting pregnant, would never have had to worry about procuring an abortion pre-Roe, would not have to worry about landlords refusing to rent to unmarried women, would not have grown up knowing she was limited to the 'Female' section of the 'Help Wanted' ads (which were still a thing when she was growing up).
It very much depends on the award. Levine's accomplishments are partially helped by her being AMAB, which is what makes an award for them kind of...gauche.
A non trans related example would be giving a cis lesbian (I am one) an award for balancing being a successful careerwoman and a mother. Like yes, obviously we can do that, but we don't have society or partners expecting us to do any of the domestic labor due to our sex/gender (since we're both women). So such a woman wouldn't have had to overcome the expectation she do the bulk of the parenting/household tasks. Awarding her that when she got to sidestep one of the major difficulties just reinforces that those difficulties are insurmountable. Does that make sense?
> I don't know what are you talking about, but feminist lesbians with anti-trans, gender-critical perspectives tend to be loud. They must be the sexual minority equivalent of kicking away the ladder after I got mine.
Basically, good luck having a space to discuss lesbianism without being overrun by both TERFs and newly out/chronically online pre-op trans women who want to make the entire space about trans issues. (I'm not making any statement about whether those people belong: lesbian trans women are lesbians). We can't have a space to discuss something like the difficulties in dating when your dating pool is minute without having TERFs shriek about trans women and some trans women bringing up girldick out of insecurity every 2 seconds. Both sides use us as a validation machine and I'm sick of it.
This is relevant because I don't get to step away from the culture war. It keeps invading the communities and groups I'm a part of against my will, and it's not always conservatives or TERFs doing it.
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#389You can expect the Donald to be unbanned. You can also expect twitter to become the same cesspool that truth social is.
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They can do whatever they want, that's a given. The advertisers can do too. Welcome to hell, Elon. You fucked up real good, kiddo. https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitt...
> You fucked up real good, kiddo. It's so fun to watch this impotent seething. I don't even have the words to describe it. Beautiful.
Interesting word choice from a man who idealizes people like Trump and Musk, can't stop posting about how oppressed and marginalized men is, and calls transgender women men.