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You may not have intended to talk down. But it came across that way...

Apologies! Text is difficult. If I did a poor job, I'm open to suggestions on how I could have rephrased (and if I can still edit the post, I'll try to do so).

It wasn't so much the words - the words were fine. It's the assumption that "I know real biology, and you must not".

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Lots of people are publicly mocked on Twitter everyday. What makes "trans" people so special?

The difference is a highly engaged set of authoritarian activists who will assassinate your character and get you fired. Other groups don't have the equivalent of a Red Guard to enforce their ideology or religion.

DARVOism, illustrated.

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They are allowed to joke about anything. They just aren't allowed to joke about anything anywhere . If Twitter doesn't want them to make those kinds of jokes on their platform, Twitter is free to tell them they can't make those jokes there. That doesn't stop the Babylon Bee from making those jokes. And, if Twitter has changed their mind, Twitter is free to tell them that they can now make those jokes on the platform.…

Twitter is free to set up their moderation policy as it sees fit, but at the same time public is free to criticise Twitter for said moderation policy and the way it's applied. The fact that they can ban Bablylon Bee (under current law) doesn't mean that everyone should just shrug and accept it.

> but at the same time public is free to criticise Twitter for said moderation policy and the way it's applied

I certainly never argued that the public should not be allowed to criticize Twitter.

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I am all about being nice to people who live their lives however, but the idea of "gender" as a fluid philosophical concept distinct from sex is super squishy. It's massively overstating things to call it "settled science" or even "science" at this point. It's philosophy in theory and public opinion in practice. Science: this phenomenon exists and people exist who've had these experiences. That's a factual statement.…

When I talk about fluidity of gender, or gender distinct from sex, I start with well accepted terms. Consider: you would probably agree with me that a butch tomboy and a valley girl fashionista are both women. But they represent different extremes on what we, socially, agree femininity is. We might say the butch woman is less feminine than the valley girl. Likewise, we'd typically say Clint Eastwood is more manly tha…

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The notability requirement is specifically for transgender and non-binary individuals.

Isn't that, itself, bias? Why wouldn't Muhammad Ali receive the same consideration, given that he considered his birth name representative of racial oppression?

1. Ali specifically is moot since he won an Olympic Gold Medal (and his first professional world championship) under his birth name.

2. If calling black Muslims by their birth names were currently used as a way of signalling racism, then I suspect WP would adopt a policy for that as well.

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Apologies! Text is difficult. If I did a poor job, I'm open to suggestions on how I could have rephrased (and if I can still edit the post, I'll try to do so).

It wasn't so much the words - the words were fine. It's the assumption that "I know real biology, and you must not".

That's fair, but if you tell me there's a simple biological definition of sex, odds are pretty good you have a relatively simple model.

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I am all about being nice to people who live their lives however, but the idea of "gender" as a fluid philosophical concept distinct from sex is super squishy. It's massively overstating things to call it "settled science" or even "science" at this point. It's philosophy in theory and public opinion in practice. Science: this phenomenon exists and people exist who've had these experiences. That's a factual statement.…

When I talk about fluidity of gender, or gender distinct from sex, I start with well accepted terms. Consider: you would probably agree with me that a butch tomboy and a valley girl fashionista are both women. But they represent different extremes on what we, socially, agree femininity is. We might say the butch woman is less feminine than the valley girl. Likewise, we'd typically say Clint Eastwood is more manly tha…

"gender" as a term on its own is used very confusedly by a lot of people, but there's a simple definition that makes things clear: "gender == sex". The trick is that "gender" disambiguates that you mean "sex as it relates to a social context" instead of "sex as it relates to a biological context".

Where this all gets cleared up is that you should use more specific terms such as "Gender norms", "gender presentation", etc. Someone of the male gender can present as very feminine, but that doesn't make them a woman. It is not bad that their gender presentation is at odds with the gender norms expected of their gender, but their gender is not fluid and doesn't change. Only their gender presentation.

I realize I'm probably tilting at windmills here, but if everyone realized that gender is simply sex as it relates to social contexts and got more specific with their terminology, there'd be a lot less talking past each other.

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Here's a compilation from verified accounts only: https://i.imgur.com/nkN539Q.png Vast majority of these accounts were never banned and many of the tweets are still up today.

The text is so blurry that it's unreadable. Edit: Although apparently someone else was able to. Maybe imgur is giving a different image to mobile? I tried with both Firefox and chrome on Android.

imgur has taken to sometimes redirecting image links to the website instead of the file itself. For me, clicking the link twice worked to get the full 5000x5000 image.

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Something tells me that a lot of the people who've spent the last ten years insisting that "they're a private company, they can do whatever they want" are going to change their minds about that.

They can do whatever they want, that's a given. The advertisers can do too. Welcome to hell, Elon. You fucked up real good, kiddo. https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitt...

> You fucked up real good, kiddo.

It's so fun to watch this impotent seething. I don't even have the words to describe it. Beautiful.

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Parler would let the DNC on their site because it supports open debate. Using a powerful tech tool to shut off one side of a debate has led to young girls being injured for life trying to compete with men in sports like volleyball. Or cutting their breasts off when they are 15 because there is no other side to argue against it.

If Parler supported open debate, then the phrase "banned from Parler" would not yield the search results it does. Your second paragraph uses the rhetorical device of an appeal to extremes. Further, these "young girls" are trans boys/men who are becoming something in strong contrast to who they are. I know we disagree conceptually on that, but I would advocate that aside from the parent, the child, and the doctor, nei…

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