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Post by pessimizer »

nrmitchi wrote: post #61
deanCommie wrote: post #18

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I think this (at least the first part) is fairly bang-on. There is a difference between diversity of "the place where you are forming an opinion", and diversity of what that opinion is. By saying that a council needs to equally represent diversity of opinions completely ignores how widespread those opinions actually are. Decisions about action to take about going "defcon 3 on the jews" should not need to be decided b…

It's important to note here, and to the comment you replied to, that Trump won an election, and currently has higher approval ratings than Biden. That's a problem if your belief system relies on your being part of an oppressed majority, or to use the original term, a "moral majority."

That's why it's important to remove appeals to popularity from moral reasoning.

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Post by drstewart »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #188
hitpointdrew wrote: post #182

Finally, diversity of ideas, and not diversity of skin color.

You cannot have the former without the latter.

Thank you. I hope this is a truly diverse council composed of different races and ages. Maybe Trump, Rubio, Thomas, Crenshaw, Boebert would be diverse enough for you?

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Post by watwut »

mjr00 wrote: post #55
addingadimensio wrote: post #20

It would be amazing if a council with diverse viewpoints could even sit together without killing each other in this day and age. Does this exist anywhere?

Yes, this is how social interaction in the real world, or even smaller online communities, has worked for ages. It's only on pseudonymous mega-sites like Twitter, Reddit and HN where jumping down people's throats for having an opposing viewpoint is even a thing.

People beat others or kill others over difference of opinion. And sometimes, the "difference of opinion" is that some people think a this or that minority should be killed while minority disagree.

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Post by foobarian »

SilverBirch wrote: post #248
kranke155 wrote: post #218

It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture. The excitement for this new move seems not just low here but overwhelmingly negative. “It can’t be…

Firstly, I don't think it's a hive mind. All of the threads I've read through have been absolutely split between people who broadly think he's over-estimating himelf/underestimating the problem and people who think everyone else is over-estimating the problem and under-estimating him. I think the crux of it for me, is that whilst Musk comes at this fresh, he's not proposing fresh solutions. He has repeatedly suggeste…

The minute he takes the company private his job there is done. Everything else will follow from the new incentive structure.

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Post by vkou »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #196
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

This is rather confusing to me. Earlier this year he seemed pretty set on the idea of allowing whatever's legal, making Twitter all about free speech. But now it'll just get some minor changes? If it's true, why the change of heart?

Because as an outsider, he doesn't like any restriction of his speech, but as an insider, he doesn't like speech critical of him.

I expect Twitter to continue canceling people for holding the wrong opinions, it's just that the definition of wrong will flip.

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Post by sangnoir »

chasd00 wrote: post #241
kranke155 wrote: post #218

It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture. The excitement for this new move seems not just low here but overwhelmingly negative. “It can’t be…

i've said it before, there's much easier money to be made than better against Musk. When presenting a big idea he's pretty much been laughed out of every room he's ever walked into. Then, much to everyone's dismay, he does it. I'm withholding judgment for a few years...

I don't think he has presented any big idea regarding Twitter. In case I missed it, I'd be happy to learn what his big idea for Twitter is. By all impressions, he was dragged kicking and screaming into finalizing the deal - that doesn't exactly inspire confidence that he has bold ideas he'd like to try.

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Post by jasonlotito »

such12 wrote: post #273
jasonlotito wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet... "As a PoC" I think it's fair to say that ideas/viewpoints are very important, but to ignore the reality of groups of people frequently targeted is silly.

> to ignore the reality of groups of people frequently targeted is silly. He clearly isn’t.

They are downplaying them, which is clearly my point.

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Post by vehemenz »

cr4nberry wrote: post #155

With facebook dying, twitter getting bought out, reddit's eutrophication, and tiktok on the rise, it seems like things have unsettled quite a bit The next couple years are going to be very interesting. Facebook will probably get bought out or something. For twitter, I can't really say. Reddit is probably going to become even more repulsive (and hopefully gets replaced). Hopefully tiktok goes away also :/ Also interes…

It's been around for a while. "Viewpoint diversity" has been on the rise since the early 2010s at least, especially among thinktank Republicans and the intellectual/philosophical fringe of the liberal elite.

I recall hearing the phrase a lot in the context of overbearing DEI initiatives (now commonplace) that were criticized for being too superficial in their concern with diversity of "race" rather than diversity of opinion.

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Post by philosopher1234 »

memish wrote: post #222
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot have the former without the latter.

You can't be serious. Ideas are not attached to skin color. That's a regressive, racist belief.

So your interest in elon musk and free speech is just the objectively correct thing to be interested in, and isn't attached to your biography at all?
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