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Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by dereg »

jszymborski wrote: post #25
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

A bunch of accounts like The Babylon Bee and Ye have been unbanned w/o input from any such committee of diverse viewpoints. I don't have much faith that Musk will not act unilaterally in service of his friends and allies.

He was unbanned prior to musk’s arrival, according to musk.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by tootie »

assetlabel wrote: post #42
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

Diverse in this context means the different people on the council will have very different viewpoints from each other.

I'm sure that already existed. Unless he intends to expand the diversity into the realm of racism or other types of bigotry or conspiracy beliefs. In my observation, Twitter is extremely permissive in what kind of speech it allows, drawing a line only at abject hate speech, threats or deliberate disinformation. None of that suffers from lack of diversity of viewpoints. Musk is either intending to allow a lot more shit flinging or he's really deluding himself that he can solve this problem. I'd honestly be more optimistic if he was bringing OpenAI in to do moderation.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by saurik »

wslack wrote: post #27
addingadimensio wrote: post #20

It would be amazing if a council with diverse viewpoints could even sit together without killing each other in this day and age. Does this exist anywhere?

Yes, and it's been written up. It doesn't have a moderating effect, at least on its own: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/02/upshot/these-... (It was covered by the Times but paid for by a non-partisan group, with researchers participating)

The article you linked seems to show that it did, in fact, have a moderating effect?

> NORC surveyed the group before the conference, and again on the same questions at the end; the results were compared with a similar panel of voters who did not get an intense dose of deliberative democracy in the interim. Voters at the event on both the left and the right appeared to edge toward the center. Democratic support receded for a $15 federal minimum wage and for “Medicare for all”; Republican support grew for rejoining the Paris climate agreement and for protecting from deportation immigrants brought to the United States as children.

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Post by mjr00 »

addingadimensio wrote: post #20

It would be amazing if a council with diverse viewpoints could even sit together without killing each other in this day and age. Does this exist anywhere?

Yes, this is how social interaction in the real world, or even smaller online communities, has worked for ages.

It's only on pseudonymous mega-sites like Twitter, Reddit and HN where jumping down people's throats for having an opposing viewpoint is even a thing.

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Post by TulliusCicero »

hn2017 wrote: post #31

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/28/eu-official-warns-musk-hell-... will still have to oblige. Definitely no "hate speech, incitement to terrorism and child sexual abuse." For his part, Musk has said he wouldn’t allow illegal content on the platform.

At least in the US, there's a lot of noxious speech that's legal. The US has very permissive free speech laws overall.

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Post by dereg »

wslack wrote: post #27
addingadimensio wrote: post #20

It would be amazing if a council with diverse viewpoints could even sit together without killing each other in this day and age. Does this exist anywhere?

Yes, and it's been written up. It doesn't have a moderating effect, at least on its own: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/02/upshot/these-... (It was covered by the Times but paid for by a non-partisan group, with researchers participating)

526 people is not what I’d consider a “council”. That’s the size of a large high school graduating class.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by wahnfrieden »

pjkundert wrote: post #49
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

It will be, if Elon implements effective agent-based clustering, such as with K-Means Clustering. "Solving" content moderation is a losing battle -- there is no way to humanly moderate anything at the rate it can be produced, and Elon knows this. It's insane, so he probably won't do it. But, allowing content to be produced, but making sure no real person ever sees it, until the content producer earns their way into "…

Advertisers don't want placement next to "bad" content, whether or not the in-group likes that content.

(That's probably a big reason why he wants subscription fees to take over advertiser revenue dominance.)

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