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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by chudmeister »

socialismisok wrote: post #307
readthenotes1 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I recall correctly, they were suspended for saying that that specific named individual one man of the Year award. That doesn't seem very hateful, although it may seem derisive. There is a difference. Did it go beyond that?

It's hateful in the sense that it's very derisive in the culture of the target and Babylon Bee has a large enough audience that the individual is likely to receive targeted threats as a result. Reach and influence are important, because they impact the magnitude of what a derisive comment can do to a target. You saying, "lol, man!" In your living room has no reach, it won't cause harm. The Bee saying it has huge reac…

None of these authoritarian excuses matter. They can say what they want about who they want now.

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Post by chudmeister »

MollyRealized wrote: post #289
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

The right of free speech doesn't apply to a private company. A company has every right to dictate what services it will provide and the conditions for using those services. It is not a public communications carrier.

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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by chudmeister »

socialismisok wrote: post #52
outside1234 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What were they banned for? Looking through the content, I don't see any of the egregious hate speech or incitement of violence that we've seen in other bans like Trump.

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet. Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

> felt attacked

No, they were attacked.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by space_fountain »

fknorangesite wrote: post #312
space_fountain wrote: post #290

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Did they target her or did they target the idea of being trans? > where he serves proudly as the first man in that position to dress like a western cultural stereotype of a woman > We have still chosen to give the award as his self-identification has no bearing on the truth If you attack a successful member of a minority group based on their minority you still aren't punching up, sorry.

> Did they target him Her.

Gah, but thanks

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Post by FormerBandmate »

electrondood wrote: post #182
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

Fully disagree. They publicly mocked a trans person, in clear violation of the TOS that all users agree to as a condition of use of the platform. They were then temporarily suspended, as clearly laid out in the TOS. Twitter says "Hey, if X, then Y." Babylon Bee says "Yeah, ok." Babylon Bee does X, and experiences Y. They are not victims, and there is no "violation of free speech" here.

Well, Elon changed the TOS. He can now make shit you like against the TOS. You can't rely on unelected rich people to determine speech even if they make decisions you like

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by FormerBandmate »

MollyRealized wrote: post #289
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

The right of free speech doesn't apply to a private company. A company has every right to dictate what services it will provide and the conditions for using those services. It is not a public communications carrier.

Musk after banning @elonjet in 3 minutes

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

socialismisok wrote: post #195
flippinburgers wrote: post #179

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Ahh yes the good ol' let me talk down on someone with their "elementary" level of knowledge is always a great way to start a "good faith discussion". EDIT: Intersex does not turn the male/female binary into a "spectrum".

I didn't talk down. Genuinely, high school biology teaches us that there are two sexes XX it's a woman, XY it's a man. That's literally what we learn. It's only after you dive into the science at a collegiate level or higher that you learn there's a small percentage, maybe 1-2% of people, for whom this binary understanding is not a good model. I'm not saying it's bad to only have a high school understanding, just tha…

You may not have intended to talk down. But it came across that way...

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Post by socialismisok »

monkmartinez wrote: post #214
socialismisok wrote: post #104

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It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Do it. Are there peer reviewed papers or something on Arvix that explicitly dive into the "beyond high school level of biology" where sex is not defined at the cellular level (wrt Autosomes)? I am not interested in debating the sociological version, to be perfectly honest.

It's important to remember we're discussing the margins. The XX, XY definition is functionally good enough for nearly all cases.

But there exist people whose sex doesn't work into that model.

Consider some 46 XX intersex people. In these cases, outside conditions (typically an endocrine imbalance in the mother) leads to the development of a penis, and the loss of a vagina. These children may be raised as boys. Similarly, some XY people are born with autosomal defects that prevent them from effectively processing testosterone into dihydrotestosterone. As a result, their bodies develop into what we would consider typically female. They are often raised as girls.

There are dozens of conditions similar to these.

"XX male syndrome" might be one example of specifically what you are looking for - people who are scientifically discussed as male despite having XX chromosomes, a typically female karotype. It can be caused by autosomal origins

Ultimately, we cannot remove the discussion of sociological science from biology, because we make choices for kids in these cases. And those choices differ depending on culture. The US preferentially gives intersex people male gender, while Saudi Arabia does the opposite, even for the same conditions. In this way, even biological sex has some social component.

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Post by bakugo »

socialismisok wrote: post #302
socialismisok wrote: post #239

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I'll take a look when I'm not on mobile. My guess is that I'll say many of these should be deleted.

Took a look at these. Some should be deleted. "End white people" is arguably a call to violence akin to what gets the right banned. Some lack context. The first one, for instance, still exists but it's a reply to a tweet that doesn't. It's possible this is sarcasm. Some are clearly in bounds, like, what's Jack May's tweet saying that should be against the rules? (Third column). Or Lena Dunham arguing that we're not c…

Funny, I was expecting you to come up with some contrived justification as to why racism is totally different depending on what race it's against, like all leftists do, and you did exactly that.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by socialismisok »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #327
socialismisok wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't talk down. Genuinely, high school biology teaches us that there are two sexes XX it's a woman, XY it's a man. That's literally what we learn. It's only after you dive into the science at a collegiate level or higher that you learn there's a small percentage, maybe 1-2% of people, for whom this binary understanding is not a good model. I'm not saying it's bad to only have a high school understanding, just tha…

You may not have intended to talk down. But it came across that way...

Apologies! Text is difficult. If I did a poor job, I'm open to suggestions on how I could have rephrased (and if I can still edit the post, I'll try to do so).
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