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Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by closetohome »

thunkshift1 wrote: post #291

This is not an honest take on ‘ease of doing business in india’. What the author is trying to do is re-purpose his agricultural land for non agricultural use. For various socio-political reasons this is big no-no in many states in India and is known to be a very long winding and drawn out process because the govt does not want agricultural land to be re-purposed. I expected something along the lines of ‘I tried to se…

That caught my eye as well. If I wanted to buy some agricultural land in my state and convert it to industrial manufacturing, I would be mired in red tape for years.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by e-_pusher »

clivefx wrote: post #253

This is almost identical to the process of setting up a manufacturing facility here in the bay area. Difference is that you never do all this yourself. You use permit sherpas and general contractors to handle most of the paperwork. Source: done it three times

Do you have any contacts you recommend for this process?

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by TheRealPomax »

yrgulation wrote: post #344
TheRealPomax wrote: post #340

> Yes, you need to obtain “permission” before you build any manufacturing structure on your own land with your own money. I don't understand why this is phrased as incredulous. Are there countries where this isn't the case? Just because you own the land -which you don't, you merely have a title that grants you the exclusive, but limited, usage rights of that land- does not mean you are free to just build whatever you…

> Balkan levels of bribery. Yeah think again.

think again because "there's no bribes in the balkan" (rural cops in the balkan will pull you over for literally nothing just to make you pay them to go away again) or "it's so much worse than the balkan" (I won't argue that one, it really is)

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by aaroninsf »

m12k wrote: post #117
klausjensen wrote: post #109

~5 years ago, I hired three Indian developers. They asked me if we could set up an Indian legal entity, so that they could just get regular salaries in India with tax payments, deductions etc taken care of. I agreed and we got it done. One of the worst business-decisions of my life. The amount of red tape, stupid rules, corruption, signatures, stamps, showing up physically in a certain office etc etc... Mindblowing.…

In the meantime companies like remote.com and similar have sprung up, providing "employer of record" services. Basically they let you outsource the act of having a company in a given country and employing people through it, much like how Stripe lets you outsource the whole merchant account thing for payments. It seems that whenever there's red tape, there's a business opportunity in paving over it and providing a san…

That is the business model of TriNet, paving over the hassles of operating in different US states.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by sundarurfriend »

markdown wrote: post #172
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malls are the worst when it comes to security theater. Most will check your car's boot for illicit materials when you park. But they won't check the car's interios - you could have anything inside! You'll usually be frisked at the mall entrance. Women will only get frisked by a female security guard. If the female security guard is absent (pretty common), any female visitor can just walk through without getting frisk…

Wait, everyone gets frisked at Indian malls? Was certainly not my experience 20 years ago.

Not in South India, in any of the cities I've been to. There was a brief period (possibly after the 2008 attacks that the others mention) when that was the case, but that didn't last long.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by kragen »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #295
kragen wrote: post #143

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This does not seem sound and reasonable. Yes, India has been civilized for 5000 years, with the result that it's very densely populated; but "very densely populated" is only 418 people per square kilometer, less than twice Germany's 232. 53% of India's land area is arable land: 790 people per square kilometer of arable land, or 1270 square meters of arable land per person. I feel like 100 square meters of factory are…

Population density of Nederlands: >500 people/sq.km.

See, with industrialization you can support higher population densities than India can.

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Post by bulbosaur123 »

mijamo wrote: post #52
sam_goody wrote: post #45

I do not understand the authors issue with paying bribes. You want your factory, you are willing to pay lots of money for it, and the system works with bribes. Fine, so be it. Pay the bribes and get to work. I once lived in such a country*. The unfairness is built in, but if you have the money, you can get whatever you need relatively quickly. If you are trying to save money, fine. But you are willing to go to court,…

Paying bride is a criminal offense. Paying bride abroad is also a domestic criminal offense. I do not think encouraging criminal behavior is a great idea, especially when it is also unequivocally morally wrong.

> Paying bride is a criminal offense.

Cringe.

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Post by Aunche »

otikik wrote: post #166
egorfine wrote: post #69

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Exactly. This is what the rest of the world usually says on the first encounter with "tips culture" in the US. As I see it, cultures are different and one thing that is considered an absolute taboo in one culture might be customary in another. Tips in the US are customary yet at the same time they are offensive in Japan. Bribes are killing the economy in my country yet it makes economy moving in India. PS: I personal…

> Exactly. This is what the rest of the world usually says on the first encounter with "tips culture" in the US. I think my shock was greater when I discovered that lobbying in the US means "literal legal bribery". In a lot of the western world that word it means things "having meetings" and perhaps "organizing PR campaigns". Straight up giving money to politicians is against the law.

>I think my shock was greater when I discovered that lobbying in the US means "literal legal bribery".

This is what the internet thinking lobbying means because they just want to be angry at a thing without bothering to learn about it because that would expose their own political apathy. Lobbying in the US means the exact same things that it means in the rest of the world. Companies will donate a few thousand dollars, so that a legislature will hear them out, but the legislature doesn't have to listen to them. There is some sketchy stuff going on with campaign finance for sure, but it's no where near as bad as "legalized bribery."

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Post by yrgulation »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #353
yrgulation wrote: post #344

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> Balkan levels of bribery. Yeah think again.

think again because "there's no bribes in the balkan" (rural cops in the balkan will pull you over for literally nothing just to make you pay them to go away again) or "it's so much worse than the balkan" (I won't argue that one, it really is)

The latter. It may be bad in the balkans, which it is, but nowhere near as bad as in other places. Either way both regions will improve. If anything, i’d invest now even if i wouldnt be able to exploit that investment. Nationalism aside i think india has a bright future. The balkans will end up in the eu as well if the eu doesnt break up. Worth investing there too.

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Post by sundarurfriend »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #165
signal11 wrote: post #98

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> Everything requires an application, even when everything can be done digitally. Please also provide two self attested photocopies. (It’s interesting to think about why attestation is required.)

Now they ask for "official Aadhar". Even though its a digital document and Aadhar website explicitly states that every copy of Aadhar is an "official" copy. If you get a color print and get it laminated, your unofficial Aadhar suddenly becomes "official". I've had so many arguments with officials about this its unreal.

Huh, is that a thing people ask for? I've had to explain the

> its a digital document and Aadhar website explicitly states that every copy of Aadhar is an "official" copy

part multiple times to people in my family, but had assumed this would be basic knowledge to government officials.

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