You can expect the Donald to be unbanned. You can also expect twitter to become the same cesspool that truth social is.
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I think you're correct. The example of the Heat Death of Usenet seems relevant. If you don't trim spam and annoyances, people leave. I think Musk's Twitter will be an interesting test, if Musk allows enough unfettered speech.
Both Reddit and Twitter were basically free for alls until 2015 or so. Their user numbers were growing strongly. So I don't buy the whole offensive speech is going to drive off users angle. Spam is a different story, but Elon Musk has never said he is going to allow that.
I'll hazard a guess that since Reddit is at least vaguely self-selected topical, it's possible to evade a lot of the stuff any particular user doesn't like. I personally read some technical reddits, some palaeontology redits, and a few "metro" reddits that are near where I live. I've never seen the amount of puzzlingly irrelevant ads, bots, spam, racism and fascism I regularly saw on Twitter (I've deleted my account).
For Twitter, you get what the algorithm selects for you. Clearly that algorithm has some cut-outs for advertising, and particular accounts, and after that, I won't hazard a guess. But it's not topical the same way subreddits are.
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Something tells me that a lot of the people who've spent the last ten years insisting that "they're a private company, they can do whatever they want" are going to change their minds about that.
Probably not because us in the left are generally non conformist. We don't just go with the flow because we're expected or follow party lines... I'm not a Biden fan but even if Bernie had an allegation against him I'd say let's hear it and get the truth. Truth matters, facts matter, and nobody should be above the law or the TOS as it may be for a private company. Though, if they stray too far one way politically they…
> us in the left are generally non conformist
That was true in the distant past, but in the past decade or two it seems to be changing from my perspective. For context, my perspective is that of an extreme libertarian who was raised and lives in a very "red" state.
The major political parties offer a fair example of this - the GOP had the "Never Trumpers" who consistently and publicly opposed the party's presidential nominee (and later, the party's President). There are often right-wing "spoiler" candidates that run alongside Republicans and dilute the vote. On the other hand, I don't recall the last time there was a popular left-wing "spoiler" in a race.
Democrats are very good at uniting behind a single candidate and getting a subset of their agenda pushed through. Republicans seem to infight the entire time, even when they have power.
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I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is what creates toxicity.
Except both sides say the same things in different ways. The side that limits bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia (as you say)... explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc), racial prejudice, glorification of transgender and homosexual values. I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it.
> explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc)
The alt-right is specifically a hate group. They're defined by their racism and bigotry. This is a prime example of "you want to censor us because you disagree" being claimed in bad faith.
You're familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance, right? There's no way you're not, it gets brought up in every thread that talks about censorship.
> I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it.
Nobody is trying to tell you to love it.
What they ARE doing is trying to get homophobes and transphobes to stop accusing them of being groomers. Stop treating them like degenerates. Stop trying to restrict their rights. Stop trying to allow discrimination against LGBT.
They don't want you to LOVE it, they want you to merely ACCEPT it.
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I had to think a minute, but I agree with you. Lots of unmoderated free speech will make Twitter worse for ordinary folks, who don't want to be spammed with ads, but also an assortment of porn, aggressive politics bot and weirdos.
There has never been a point on twitter where you couldn't repeatedly accuse a person of sucking Putin's cock after every single tweet they made, and no point when you had to attempt at all to conceal your association with organized, named groups who coordinate this outside of twitter. That being said, Musk relies on government contracts and subsidy for almost every aspect of his empire, so I don't see any changes co…
The "ergonomics" and incentives of Twitter do seem to encourage all-or-nothing, ignoring or dogpiling, on something. See the "Main Character of the Day" phenomenon.
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Twitter used to have a very nasty problem of literal Nazis spamming black and Jewish accounts with hateful garbage. Those accounts still exist to some extent but are reduced to communicating amongst themselves in coded language.
Right, the "OK" sign... Everyone who does that is a literal Nazi. And, truckers. They're the worst (if you're a leftist Canadian).
Ah, for the good 'ol days when we could deplatform those guys!
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Something tells me that a lot of the people who've spent the last ten years insisting that "they're a private company, they can do whatever they want" are going to change their minds about that.
They can do whatever they want, that's a given. The advertisers can do too. Welcome to hell, Elon. You fucked up real good, kiddo. https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitt...
I bet the lickspittle 'joirnalists' that work at that digital rag stay on the platform.
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#258You can expect the Donald to be unbanned. You can also expect twitter to become the same cesspool that truth social is.
Trump is in a weird position though that he can't come back to Twitter without sabotaging any value or investment he put into Truth Social since just about the only value in Truth Social is that Trump is on it.
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Because "Wikipedia Is Badly Biased" according to founder Larry Sanger: https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/
He thinks Wikipedia is biased because it describes (correctly) that "alternative medicine" is bullshit? And also he is a climate change denier? Why is he not complaining that there is bias against the flat earth people on wikipedia? Sorry, "scientific minorities". This article proves nothing other than the author is useless.
I read the article and I must have missed where it's stated that he is a climate denier or that alternative medicine is or is not bullshit. Those are just two of several examples where he tries to show the lack of neutrality.
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Lots of people are publicly mocked on Twitter everyday. What makes "trans" people so special?
I mean, if you purposefully misgender a cis person on Twitter, the same rule applies. Not sure what your issue is
The obvious response is that that that shouldn't result in a ban either. There's a right not to be physically threatened, but there is and should not be no right to not be offended.