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It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

The only real discussion to be had is that you and I mean (very) different things when we use the word "woman".

For sure. I've had this discussion many times with many people.

I'd argue that most women, in fact probably 99% or more, fall into a fairly straightforward definition - two X chromosomes, raised to behave like whatever their society expects from women. (I think we can agree that "woman" might have different cultural/social expectations depending on where they were raised? E.g. in some parts of the world a niqab or hajib is expected, for instance.)

But there exists a small group of people who don't fit in with that definition. They might have been born with a penis but two XX chromosomes, they might have been born without functional ovaries or an abnormal set of genitalia.

They might have been born with XY chromosomes but never developed a penis.

These folks are intersex, and are often raised as women.

I would say, in these cases, that we might agree that they are women - their chromosomes might not always be XX, but all their features and body development and social upbringing in the world suggests that they are women.

Then we come to another group. A group whose bodies are functionally male but who feel a deep revulsion at being a man.

But before we dive in to that case, are you comfortable with the other two cases and have any disagreements about the 99% or intersex cases?

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Jokes about alcoholics and bipolar people aren't usually part of a political campaign (willing or unwilling) to get them barred from many parts of public life[1] or fuel other genocidal ambitions[2]. Also, they're not even funny. Maybe because their function is not to make you laugh. [1]: https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1582492801190674432 [2]: https://www.damemagazine.com/2022/03/15/trans-people-are-in-...

Perhaps you are unaware that many recovering alcoholics choose to remain anonymous because revealing it would be damaging to their career. I don't tell people I'm bipolar under my real name because I noticed it scares people and they pull away from being friends with me. So don't tell me how trans women are more special than me.

Communicating your stigmas is optional, and rarely does anyone with institutional power demonize you or even attempt to de-facto ban you from public life for it.

I am extremely obviously trans, I can't opt out of being beaten up because some conservative talking head said people like me are all pedophiles. And if the GOP had their way I'd be illegal anywhere a 10 year old could be as "inherently sexual".

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Not entirely untrue, but the difference is that here, if someone posts "I really hate [group of people] and I wish they'd die" it's generally considered breaking the rules, but on twitter whether or not this statement breaks the rules depends on what group of people you targeted.

Citation needed. Can you find a tweet that says that, report it and tell if me it's found to have violated the rules? I see leftists in my communities getting banned all the time.

Here's a compilation from verified accounts only: https://i.imgur.com/nkN539Q.png

Vast majority of these accounts were never banned and many of the tweets are still up today.

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Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record.

Nice try! I assume you're a distraught twitter user because this feels like an exchange that would happen there.

So you are unwilling to say what, specifically, you believe in and instead prefer to gesture vaguely.

And nope, I'm not a Twitter user. I was, until about 4 years ago. Not a Facebook user either. I was, until about a decade ago. I don't think either are particularly healthy places.

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> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ Twitter is already a cesspit of toxicity because of the lack of free speech. This won't make it any worse.

I don't understand how people keep conflating First Amendment Constitutional rights with the additional layer of "this is a private platform, we prefer not to have it overrun with assholes that make it really unpleasant for everyone else." 1A rights apply to GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE in your expression. There is no "lack of free speech on Twitter," nor do they owe anyone unrestricted freedom to spread disinfo and hate…

This! So much...

No body is owed a platform.

I grew up in the 80s you had to be a news personality or famous to reach people.

Echo chambers weren't a thing because the chamber was your neighbors and some of them would probably laugh in your face at crazy things or slap you if it's offensive.

When you can join groups where you know it's safe to say whatever, you will, and you'll be emboldened and think that's how everyone thinks she it's dangerous to operate in the world with that level of group think, especially if the group values ignorance and conformity(fascism) over free thought, expression, and diversity.

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Something tells me that a lot of the people who've spent the last ten years insisting that "they're a private company, they can do whatever they want" are going to change their minds about that.

E: gremlinsinc's comment is much better than mine. Go read that instead

Nah, they're still a private company and can do what they want - within bounds of law of course.

It's just funny to watch the train wreck.

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The notability requirement is specifically for transgender and non-binary individuals.

This is not true either. The "Presumption in favor of privacy" section, especially the "Privacy of names" part might interest you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_livin...

There's two separate concerns:

1. Privacy of names in general

2. Treatment of people who have changed their names.

For #2 there is a specific rule dealing with deadnaming:

> If a living transgender or non-binary person was not notable under a former name (a deadname), it should not be included in any page (including lists, redirects, disambiguation pages, category names, templates, etc.), even in quotations, even if reliable sourcing exists. Treat the pre-notability name as a privacy interest separate from (and often greater than) the person's current name.

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>"Elon doesn't actually believe in a free marketplace of ideas, he believes in ensuring views he agrees with are available." This may just be a quirk of how this sentence was written, but wouldn't ensuring agreeable views that were once removed not count towards enlarging the marketplace of ideas? It may never be totally free, but he doesn't seem to be contracting what can be in the marketplace.

It's because he's enlarging exactly one segment, his own political views. That will eventually come at the cost of others, who just don't want to deal with misogyny, transphobia, homophobia, etc. They will withdraw from the market, leaving it without those ideas and creating the same sort of insular platform, just with a different bent.

The existing state of the platform is that Side A is dominant and Side B is fringe, enforced by moderation policy. Both sides represent an approximately equal number of Americans. Elon wants to make Side B no longer fringe. Your complaint is that Side A can't take it? One word: tough. Or, to borrow a phrase I'm tired of having quoted at me: If all you've known is dominance, equality feels like oppression.

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Citation needed. Can you find a tweet that says that, report it and tell if me it's found to have violated the rules? I see leftists in my communities getting banned all the time.

Here's a compilation from verified accounts only: https://i.imgur.com/nkN539Q.png Vast majority of these accounts were never banned and many of the tweets are still up today.

I'll take a look when I'm not on mobile. My guess is that I'll say many of these should be deleted.

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Because Twitter policy wasn't informed by a single person until now.

Alright, the why is it not "group ideology"?

This is senseless. You can just keep moving the goalpost. If I gave you arguments based on sociological consensus you'd just declare sociology woke groupthink too.
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