The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended • Hacker News Board

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by diebeforei485 » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #52

outside1234 wrote: post #45

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What were they banned for? Looking through the content, I don't see any of the egregious hate speech or incitement of violence that we've seen in other bans like Trump.

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet. Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

This is the person - https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/rachel-levine.html

My hot take is that it's OK to mock senior government officials, actually.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by electrondood » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

Fully disagree. They publicly mocked a trans person, in clear violation of the TOS that all users agree to as a condition of use of the platform. They were then temporarily suspended, as clearly laid out in the TOS.

Twitter says "Hey, if X, then Y." Babylon Bee says "Yeah, ok." Babylon Bee does X, and experiences Y. They are not victims, and there is no "violation of free speech" here.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by socialismisok » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

ndlzk wrote: post #93

socialismisok wrote: post #67

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I agree with you. They were never banned because they were right wing, they were banned because they were tweeting hateful things that were against the rules.

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Of course bottom surgery isn't what makes you a woman. Plenty of women still have penises.

Even cisgender, double x chromosome women!

Your genitals have nothing to do with whether you are a woman or not.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by facedpython » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

nemo44x wrote: post #71

labrador wrote: post #65

Babylon Bee seems pretty harmless. I find right wing humor to be fairly low-IQ, but they should be able to joke about trans women without getting banned. I'm a recovering alcoholic and bipolar, so I have to put up with jokes about drunks and manic street preachers. Why should trans get a pass? Heck, I even tell jokes about drunks and manic street preachers myself.

They should be able to joke about anything. There are no sacred cows. If someone doesn’t like their humor then don’t read it. Don’t follow them.

If you don't like Twitter prohibiting transphobia, don't use Twitter?

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by xadhominemx » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #140

xadhominemx wrote: post #113

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They don’t have the right to say hateful things about someone on someone else’s platform. They had a privilege, which was conditionally revoked.

Like satirists posting pictures of Muhammad?

If Twitter was the government of the United States and subject to first amendment restrictions, you would have a point.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by NaturalPhallacy » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #87

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

They were never banned only suspended, and there's nothing in the link to indicate that they've been un-suspended from posting. From last week proof that they weren't banned: https://web.archive.org/web/20221019005155/https://twitter.c...

They were suspended with a little Maoist struggle session setup that they were required to go through to repent their sins, and included is an admission that they were sinners for doing it, in order to get their account back.

You left that very important part out.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by facedpython » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

labrador wrote: post #146

sascha_sl wrote: post #91

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Jokes about alcoholics and bipolar people aren't usually part of a political campaign (willing or unwilling) to get them barred from many parts of public life[1] or fuel other genocidal ambitions[2]. Also, they're not even funny. Maybe because their function is not to make you laugh. [1]: https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1582492801190674432 [2]: https://www.damemagazine.com/2022/03/15/trans-people-are-in-...

Perhaps you are unaware that many recovering alcoholics choose to remain anonymous because revealing it would be damaging to their career. I don't tell people I'm bipolar under my real name because I noticed it scares people and they pull away from being friends with me. So don't tell me how trans women are more special than me.

Politicians aren't using alcoholics as boogie-men.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by xadhominemx » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

memish wrote: post #149

xadhominemx wrote: post #113

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They don’t have the right to say hateful things about someone on someone else’s platform. They had a privilege, which was conditionally revoked.

Saying "the Earth is round" is hateful from the perspective of flat earthers. Would you apply the same logic equally and make it an offense to satirize this particular belief? Or to bring it full circle, I doubt the Bee would petition to get someone banned for satirizing "God" or saying "God is not real". If they did, we would call it out too.

Yes, obviously Twitter got to decide which hateful statements were prohibited and which were not.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by commandlinefan » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

pjkundert wrote: post #120

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Something tells me that a lot of the people who've spent the last ten years insisting that "they're a private company, they can do whatever they want" are going to change their minds about that.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by Shared404 » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #164

socialismisok wrote: post #104

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It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

> Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. Everyone reading this needs to look up John Money. The founding father of "sex and gender are different".

What happened to Reimer was a travesty, and an affront to human decency on all levels.

That doesn't change the truth that gender and biological sex are both characteristics of the human experience - usually they line up, and sometimes they don't.