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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by space_fountain »

ohCh6zos wrote: post #66
socialismisok wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transphobia is pretty clearly against twitters rules. They weren't really banned, they were locked out until they deleted their tweet. All they had to do was delete the tweet.

Galileo wasn't really under house arrest. All he had to do was recant. The comparison seems apt because while the magnitude of the punishment is out of proportion the refusal to yield to orthodoxy by taking the simple way out is similar.

They didn’t have to say their tweet was wrong right? Just that it violated their rules, which it did

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by fzeroracer »

tomp wrote: post #55
chomp wrote: post #50

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It isn't offensive, and no (reasonable) people are claiming it is. What's not appropriate, is referring to the person that exists today, as Ellen Page.

She’s the same person!

If I change my name from John to Jack and people keep calling me John, I'm probably going to be annoyed. Moreso if they're clearly doing it to try and get under my skin.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by teh64 »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #26
listenallyall wrote: post #11

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In that link, why doesn't Wikipedia mention the subject's "Born" name, like they do with others who change their name? Natalie Portman, Teller, Elton John, just to name a few.

Because "Wikipedia Is Badly Biased" according to founder Larry Sanger: https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/

He thinks Wikipedia is biased because it describes (correctly) that "alternative medicine" is bullshit? And also he is a climate change denier? Why is he not complaining that there is bias against the flat earth people on wikipedia? Sorry, "scientific minorities". This article proves nothing other than the author is useless.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by socialismisok »

mrkstu wrote: post #80
socialismisok wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet. Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense.

Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by [deleted] »

socialismisok wrote: post #92
ohCh6zos wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Galileo wasn't really under house arrest. All he had to do was recant. The comparison seems apt because while the magnitude of the punishment is out of proportion the refusal to yield to orthodoxy by taking the simple way out is similar.

Babylon Bee isn't under house arrest. This analogy is absurd. They weren't allowed to target hate towards a specific, named individual on their Twitter account. Everything else they were saying was more or less ok. And they still had plenty of other outlets, including their very successful website. This is like a single book publisher telling Galileo, "we won't print this one page, but the rest of the book is ok".

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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by Test0129 »

socialismisok wrote: post #43
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

Transphobia is pretty clearly against twitters rules. They weren't really banned, they were locked out until they deleted their tweet. All they had to do was delete the tweet.

> all they had to do is delete their tweet

He could've gotten a lighter sentence if he just accepted the plea deal! Do you understand how silly this sounds.

Moreover, they awarded Rachael Levine "Man of the Year" as a parody because they are a parody website that is right-leaning. Of all the things you could class as so-called "transphobia" this is what you choose? They never deserved to be banned. Additionally, I can go, right now, to Twitter and find a literally gold mine of rule breakers who lean far left that seem to never get touched. Strange, that.

I personally am excited for the reckoning. Twitter is absolute disaster and hopefully the left leaning bad actors get the bans they have deserved since 2016. I've read absolutely disgusting things, especially regarding white people ("white"-phobia in your terminology?) that should be banned and in many times investigated by the FBI. Hopefully we see those bans come down soon. There's a huge difference between Parler and what gets banned on Twitter. To the point you could consider Twitter a very good approximation of Parler for the left. It's time these bad actors get the bans they deserve.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by [deleted] »

socialismisok wrote: post #52
outside1234 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What were they banned for? Looking through the content, I don't see any of the egregious hate speech or incitement of violence that we've seen in other bans like Trump.

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet. Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by goldenchrome »

socialismisok wrote: post #43
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

Transphobia is pretty clearly against twitters rules. They weren't really banned, they were locked out until they deleted their tweet. All they had to do was delete the tweet.

The argument that a person can be a different gender than the one that all their physical biology points to is absolutely not an open-and-shut case. I know many people believe that it is, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t valid opposing arguments. To me, that means that you shouldn’t be banned for contesting the idea of transgenderism.

I think a more reasonable argument is that people should be allowed to present themselves how they want without prejudice, but that there are still some undeniable facts about the world. Clearly there are people who want to have this discussion and silencing one side of the discussion doesn’t resolve it. It just causes the tension to fester. Get it out in the open and the truth will come out.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by threeseed »

vorpalhex wrote: post #83
threeseed wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem for Musk is that Twitter never banned them for being right-wing. They were banned for undeniable, crystal-clear breaches of their terms of service. Is Musk going to allow child porn, inciteful content, doxxing ? This is an unwindable situation.

If you can't tell the difference between making fun of a public figure and child pornography, you should take a step back.

Do you have evidence of widespread bans for making fun of a public figure ?

Making fun of a public figure should unquestionably be allowed.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by nonethewiser »

threeseed wrote: post #70
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

It's very easy to say this at a high level. But once you look into the reasons behind every ban you will see the subtleties that surround this discussion. There is a reason that content moderation has been classed as the world's toughest problem.

It's easy to see this at a low level too.
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