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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by memish »

ilyt wrote: post #132
memish wrote: post #119

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This is why so much hate is directed at Elon. His repeated success in different domains causes severe cognitive dissonance. It's an in your face painful reminder that success isn't entirely due to luck. It's a lot easier to dismiss someone's success when it only happens once.

More like bewilderment on how many times someone can not deliver on promise yet still get people throwing money at them

Millions of electric cars, thousands of charging stations, thousands of powerwalls, thousands of Starlink satellites and re-usable rockets weren't delivered?

No one delivers 100%, but that's a historically exceptional track record.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by memish »

_hypx wrote: post #136
memish wrote: post #119

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This is why so much hate is directed at Elon. His repeated success in different domains causes severe cognitive dissonance. It's an in your face painful reminder that success isn't entirely due to luck. It's a lot easier to dismiss someone's success when it only happens once.

Musk failed at countless things. It's pure delusion to think that he has "repeated success in different domains."

Engineering.

Finance.

Management.

Electric cars.

Charging stations.

Satellites.

Reusable rockets.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by mikkergp »

Schroedingersat wrote: post #127
joshstrange wrote: post #109

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Yep, I used to be a free speech absolutist when I was younger, back when I thought the world was black and white and that simple ideas could "solve everything". Then I participated in forums/groups that had zero moderation and it was hell. Even then I didn't recognize the issues fully. It wasn't until I moderated a community myself that it finally clicked. I tried to be unbiased as possible but that lead to me silenc…

> It wasn't until I moderated a community myself that it finally clicked. The key is that each community needs to moderate itself. The second you give one entity centralised or external control over moderation it can be used for terrible things. I can't think of any solution for the toxic communities other than to cut themoff and let them fester. The youtube/facebook/etc strategy of 'all engagement is good, show them…

It does seem like the problem with twitter is it is one big open subreddit, but that's sort of the vision too. The solution may be to find ways to segment twitter more, but does that fly in the face of the public square goal.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

Covzire wrote: post #20
pipeline_peak wrote: post #9

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Right, I think Elon's idea is moving censorship into everyone's own responsibility, something like: Follow who you want to, ignore who you don't, it's not your responsibility nor your right to silence other people off a monopoly platform just because you disagree with them.

So Twitter will stop recommending things? No more trending topics? Because right now it actively tries to spread engagement through topical controversy.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by badcppdev »

lemondrink wrote: post #114

Is Twitter not dying? The youth don’t care, the elderly don’t care, and those in the middle (late twenties, early forties) are ending their terminally online lives for families, careers, travel, etc. Twitter is being distilled into a political tool - both side, endlessly crying into the void, appealing to their confirmation biases. Hop on over to /pol/ to see what unregulated politic speak turns into. I give it 10 ye…

Your demographic breakdown is priceless.

* Youth

* Late 20s to early 40s

* Elderly

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by bryanlarsen »

ilyt wrote: post #132
memish wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why so much hate is directed at Elon. His repeated success in different domains causes severe cognitive dissonance. It's an in your face painful reminder that success isn't entirely due to luck. It's a lot easier to dismiss someone's success when it only happens once.

More like bewilderment on how many times someone can not deliver on promise yet still get people throwing money at them

Elon predicted in 2013 that Tesla would be shipping 500,000 cars a year by 2020. That was a crazy insane prediction that he delivered on, among many other similar predictions.

Nobody expects all predictions to come true -- professional futurists have a batting rate of about 10%.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by happytoexplain »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #36
happytoexplain wrote: post #14

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Yes, but we should probably avoid framing those two sides so hatefully and over-broadly, as you and the author have done. Edit: After my post, the parent was edited to include the qualifier, "both of these opinions are the extreme".

I don't think what I'm saying is broad, there are many SJW minded people who fall into harassing/blacklisting/doxxing

I think it's as broad and uncharitable as saying Republicans are racist. It's not that there aren't a lot of people who fall into the category, it's that, by itself, the phrase adds nothing and acts only as an insult to the entire group. You can certainly say that same thing as part of a larger, refined context that trims away the implied spit-at-the-feet of the broader group.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by mikkergp »

muaytimbo wrote: post #124
mikkergp wrote: post #73

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I think Elon will succeed _and_ I agree with almost everything in this verge article. But Elon has been very inconsistent in what he’s said. It’s impossible for Elon to accomplish his current vision because it’s not internally consistent. You can’t only moderate what is within the law and make Twitter a more friendly place and make it more attractive to advertisers and grow it to a billion users, and make it the defa…

I think there could be a balance here, allow that which is legal but distasteful but don't promote it or advertise beside it. You could probably repurpose some already pre-existing ML models searching for users to ban over takes that are too hot for twitter to mark as un-monatizable. Cleaning house is the way to make this vision of twitter a reality. Bots I think is both the harder and existential problem.

I agree this is definitely possible, but if you do all that, is it still the public square open to debate, if you are selectably promoting / monetizing "tasteful" tweets?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by crazygringo »

Koshkin wrote: post #104
thunderbong wrote: post #78

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IMHO, the world would be a better place of people who're qualified in a particular subject would opine in their area of expertise. Nowadays, we have every Tom, Dick and Harry commenting on anything and everything, regardless of how informed, educated or even experienced in the area they want to criticize.

> IMHO I would like to hear an expert's opinion on this though.

Well done. Almost spit out my coffee here from laughing. :)

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by wooque »

joshstrange wrote: post #34

Can't wait to see that hot takes from the free speech absolutists who have never experienced that first-hand on a platform they frequent regularly. We already know what that looks like, it's 4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit.

>4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit

...for you, 4chan is one of the last places on the internet that feel like the old internet, organic, unfiltered, raw. If you can't handle it, there is Facebook for you.

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