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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #31

While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me: > fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon! I don't believe that repeating a lie will make it true. The government is not banning any books, Nilay. Parents do. And not globally, but at a local level. It's another question whether they should or not, but I'd expect more precision and integrity from a prominent journalist. Most people do…

The Verge is actually a subsidiary of Vox, the far-left tabloid. It's not surprising then that Vox-like traits appear in their articles.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by TexanFeller »

LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

There are plenty of things that are nothing of the sort, merely “sins against wokeism” that will get you instantly banned until you repent. Look, I would prefer conservative people treat feminists and trans people with more sensitivity, but examples that come up over and over are people getting banned for making jokes about there actually being innate differences between men and women, or the ways that slogans like “trans women ARE women” might be a bit too strongly worded.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by cma »

SilverBirch wrote: post #23
andsoitis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His engineering has team figured out content moderation Which of his engineering teams? Tesla? SpaceX? I don't see why they would be working on content moderation.

And if Tesla engineers are working on content moderation for Twitter I think a few Tesla share holders would be interested in why they're bankrolling Musk's other enterprises.

Space X bailed out Solar City with NASA money by buying its junk bonds. Tesla bailed them out with a fake shingle presentation to drum up an acquisition.

In the past the board of SpaceX got angry at its workers and resources working for Boring Company:

> The arrangement alarmed some longtime investors in SpaceX, including its largest outside backer, Peter Thiel’s Founders Fund, some of the people said. The investors learned in recent months that despite the diversion of SpaceX resources and staffing to the fledgling Boring startup, it was Musk who was in line to receive almost all of any future profits, these people said.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-questions-over-elon-mu...

It was basically embezzlement, but they ended up with a quiet settlement giving SpaceX some shares:

> In early 2018, The Boring Company was spun out from SpaceX and into a separate corporate entity.[27] Somewhat less than 10% of equity was given to early employees, and over 90% to Elon Musk. Subsequent concerns by SpaceX shareholders resulted in a December 2018 reallocation of 6% of The Boring Company's equity to SpaceX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#History

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by augusto-moura »

andsoitis wrote: post #10
labrador wrote: post #3

My first thought when Musk bought Twitter was "His engineering has team figured out content moderation" but I've seen no evidence or talk of that. So I think it's true that he impulsively bought himself his worst nightmare.

> His engineering has team figured out content moderation Which of his engineering teams? Tesla? SpaceX? I don't see why they would be working on content moderation.

Open AI?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by pionar »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #31

While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me: > fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon! I don't believe that repeating a lie will make it true. The government is not banning any books, Nilay. Parents do. And not globally, but at a local level. It's another question whether they should or not, but I'd expect more precision and integrity from a prominent journalist. Most people do…

Parents through their local school boards, AKA, government.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by commandlinefan »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #9

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Yeah, had the same thought. People seem to be perfectly happy to participate in horribly moderated internet spaces full of people who are exactly like not-all-men fedora bullies, but in the other direction - mostly because there's no alternative (yet).

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by convolvatron »

ultra_nick wrote: post #30
LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

Twitter censors legal mainstream political opinions. Society can't discuss or resolve issues because half of every argument gets blocked. I'm convinced half the polarization in America comes from neither side understanding the other side's basic arguments.

it would help a lot if either side actually articulated any arguments

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by jayd16 »

nelsonic wrote: post #11

Never bet against Elon. Starlink alone will make more money than twitter ever could. If you don’t see the potential for Twitter. That’s fine. But don’t write an article about how it’s “hell” if you don’t have the vision for how to improve it. That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on. If Elon listened to Haters/Doubters like this Verge journo, th…

What if I bet his lawsuit would fail and he would be forced to buy Twitter?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by theossuary »

memish wrote: post #28
LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

Quoted post unavailable.

Men are not women, transwomen are women. Glad we got that cleared up.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by datalopers »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #7
datalopers wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's going find it's tough growing a company without a constant flow of government contracts and subsidies.

I'm pretty sure every MBA ever is laughing at the implicit assumptions in the article and these comments. It might not be pretty but there are other ways than growth to make a company more profitable/valuable...

Absolutely. I’m talking specifically about Elon Musk. He only knows how to run gov funded organizations. Just like his buddy Thiel and Palantir.
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