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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me:

> fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon!

I don't believe that repeating a lie will make it true. The government is not banning any books, Nilay. Parents do. And not globally, but at a local level. It's another question whether they should or not, but I'd expect more precision and integrity from a prominent journalist. Most people don't fact check everything and if they learn something from a reputable source, they believe it.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

erellsworth wrote: post #13

erellsworth wrote: post #4

You done messed up E-Elon.

Man, I guess folks here don't like Key & Peele jokes.

I’m quite fond of that sketch.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:55 PM UTC

erellsworth wrote: post #13

erellsworth wrote: post #4

You done messed up E-Elon.

Man, I guess folks here don't like Key & Peele jokes.

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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by joshstrange » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

Can't wait to see that hot takes from the free speech absolutists who have never experienced that first-hand on a platform they frequent regularly. We already know what that looks like, it's 4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by influx » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

karaterobot wrote: post #18

I am personally hoping that Twitter will break Elon Musk, and then go out of business. That would be the best possible outcome. I am not holding my breath that it will happen, but it would be incredible.

Why would losing Tesla and SpaceX be incredible?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by pipeline_peak » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

happytoexplain wrote: post #14

pipeline_peak wrote: post #9

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Yes, but we should probably avoid framing those two sides so hatefully and over-broadly, as you and the author have done. Edit: After my post, the parent was edited to include the qualifier, "both of these opinions are the extreme".

I don't think what I'm saying is broad, there are many SJW minded people who fall into harassing/blacklisting/doxxing

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by nemo44x » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:58 PM UTC

Covzire wrote: post #20

pipeline_peak wrote: post #9

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Right, I think Elon's idea is moving censorship into everyone's own responsibility, something like: Follow who you want to, ignore who you don't, it's not your responsibility nor your right to silence other people off a monopoly platform just because you disagree with them.

Exactly and he more or less spells this out in his letter. He compares his vision for Twitter to that of how how video games and movies work today. People choose what they want to hear and see and everything else is ignored. Pornography exists with Disney movies which exists with violent movies, etc, and we pick and choose what we want to see.

I think it would be great if users could join communities that the members of moderate and regulate and can set rules such as only people that are members of a particular group or "friend groups" can engage with the group. This is more closely how the real world works.

And yes there will be scumbags but they'll just not be able to engage with groups of people that aren't interested in them.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by cma » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:59 PM UTC

paulpauper wrote: post #17

nelsonic wrote: post #11

Never bet against Elon. Starlink alone will make more money than twitter ever could. If you don’t see the potential for Twitter. That’s fine. But don’t write an article about how it’s “hell” if you don’t have the vision for how to improve it. That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on. If Elon listened to Haters/Doubters like this Verge journo, th…

yeah, many hedge funds and individuals have lost serious $ betting against tesla

Don't bet against him getting away with scamming.

And don't bet against politicians wanting to affiliate with his celebrity/interact with his clout giving him subsidies.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by zote » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:59 PM UTC

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #32

erellsworth wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I guess folks here don't like Key & Peele jokes.

I’m quite fond of that sketch.

It is a wonderful sketch A-aron

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by maxsilver » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:59 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

> Or he just had a drunk/high/bipolar period and did it without a plan.

I'm still convinced this is how he makes more than half of all of his decisions (see for example, him 'building a submarine' or 'boring/loop'). His success seems to be because he sometimes takes already-known-obvious-good bets that no other person could take first because they aren't billionaires.

> The best I can guess, is it's a political play?

I don't think it's a political play, so much as he got angry and impulsive and jumped in without thinking, couldn't back out, and desperately needs to ret-con this into making any sense, so is pivoting in into a political play.