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I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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>Why should you do this?

>Because I was done with the fan noise of my older and more powerful computer. After a while it felt as if a fighter jet was taking off next to me, constantly. I moved my old computer more away from me, but that wasn't enough.

:thinking: Feels like this could be fixed by some new fans, or at least an understanding of what GPU/CPU load is. Referencing "buying a new computer" just because of this is kind of overkill.

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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This is nice but I can't even buy one! I've been "casually" shopping for a Raspberry Pi for a while now and it seems almost impossible without assistance from a bot, or immense effort.

I set up an RSS-to-Telegram bot on fly.io connected to this feed https://rpilocator.com/ and it helped my buddies get a bunch.

Thanks I tried that site for a few weeks but was never able to order in time. I guess I need further automation like you.

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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What is the point for a consumer to use a Raspberry PI 4 today? I recently purchased a mini PC with an Intel N5105, 16GB of Ram, 512GB NVME SSD, two gigabit ethernet ports, two HDMI ports, many USB ports, and Wifi 6. This system was $180, all in. You can't find a Pi 4, much less one with equivalent specs for anywhere near this price. If you can find it, an 8GB PI4 is $75 and then you need to buy the case, power suppl…

I used a RPi in the past as main desktop, why i went for this:

- Its not a Intel platform (trust issues due to IME)

- Power consumption low enough for running 24/7

- Noise - its quiet enough so it does not disturb me while sleeping

- No support for weird power management, machines going dark for no discernible reason has always been bugging me

What i really disliked was the instability of SD cards, and the media playback was mediocre back then due to a lack of HW accelerators.

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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Why ARM specifically? Many Linux packages are not ported to ARM. Furthermore, non-Apple ARM CPUs are much slower. There are lots of fanless x86_64 options that are also energy efficient if you are willing to buy from small manufacturers or stick a fanless case yourself. The M1 performs so well partly because it uses a very advanced fabrication process. A modern Ryzen is going to have comparable single-core performanc…

I have never heard of fanless x86_64 boards. Can you share some examples please?

This blog discusses tons of x86_64 fanless designs, as well as other architectures: https://www.fanlesstech.com

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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What is the point for a consumer to use a Raspberry PI 4 today? I recently purchased a mini PC with an Intel N5105, 16GB of Ram, 512GB NVME SSD, two gigabit ethernet ports, two HDMI ports, many USB ports, and Wifi 6. This system was $180, all in. You can't find a Pi 4, much less one with equivalent specs for anywhere near this price. If you can find it, an 8GB PI4 is $75 and then you need to buy the case, power suppl…

You don't need to buy a case. Also, the plan was $100 for the pi4+keyboard+everything combo before all this (lets just call it the 2020 era) happened. But $100 is still a much better deal than $180.

This was exactly my case. I spent around that price point, before 'the 2020 era'. The RPi4 definitely needs cooling. Luckily for me the passive cooling case/ribs works, so I don't need fans.

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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post #91

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You don't need to buy a case. Also, the plan was $100 for the pi4+keyboard+everything combo before all this (lets just call it the 2020 era) happened. But $100 is still a much better deal than $180.

For something you use as a main computer, it's hard to see how the time lost on something 3X slower can ever justify the ~$100 saved. At least for anyone who spends a decent amount of time on a computer and is in the developed world with a job.

Productivity doesn't scale with speed, or else everyone would be using Threadrippers. OP might be perfectly fine with a pi.

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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> The best thing I did was to have it boot from a cheap kingston 120GB ssd ($18 now). Makes a world of difference in speed. Nice. I also want to try this, just to get the most speed and performance out of it, without giving in reliability or durability. I should also check out Jeff Geerling's comparison of different MicroSD cards for the RPi.

If you want to avoid sacrificing reliability, get a Samsung portable SSD. SSD-SATA dongles and SD cards will all represent a step down in reliability.

Thanks for the tip!

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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That's a good reason, it's always great when you can repurpose hardware. It is a Beelink model from Amazon a couple of weeks ago. It came pre-assembled with Windows 11 pre-installed. I wiped it and installed Proxmox.

I just saw their website. Definitely an option for when my RPi lets me down, or - more likely - when I need to do heavier stuff. But these Beelink things come with fans... how's the noise?

It's essentially silent, I've only ever heard the fan when I'm within a foot of the unit. I pulled the unit apart and the fan looked pretty standard.

There are also models on Amazon that use the N5105 that are passively cooled. I havn't used one, so I'm not sure if there is any throttling going on with those models.

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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If someone would build a Linux-friendly competetor to the ARM64 Mac Mini, I would consider that for my home computer. As it is, I either have to stick with x86_64, go to Apple, or have an under-powered RPi.

Raspberry Pi isn’t the fastest ARM SBC. If you want something significantly faster, order the new ROCK5 SBC with 16GB of RAM. Being new, it won’t have the same level of polish and support (which can be extremely important depending on your application) but these are so much faster than the Pi that it can be worth it depending on your use case. Nothing in the SBC world is going to come close to an M1 any time soon, th…

Looked into it and seems worth a try somewhere in the future. The active community of Raspberry Pi users everywhere online helped me tremendously while setting up and troubleshooting my RPi, that was definitely a consideration to stick with RPi.

Re: I use a Raspberry Pi as my daily computer

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post #91

What is the point for a consumer to use a Raspberry PI 4 today? I recently purchased a mini PC with an Intel N5105, 16GB of Ram, 512GB NVME SSD, two gigabit ethernet ports, two HDMI ports, many USB ports, and Wifi 6. This system was $180, all in. You can't find a Pi 4, much less one with equivalent specs for anywhere near this price. If you can find it, an 8GB PI4 is $75 and then you need to buy the case, power suppl…

You don't need to buy a case. Also, the plan was $100 for the pi4+keyboard+everything combo before all this (lets just call it the 2020 era) happened. But $100 is still a much better deal than $180.

Not if its 1/4th the machine.

These jasper lake/etc machines are usually between $100 and $200 new and are a much better deal than an 8G rpi, even at MSRP for a laundry list of reasons starting with they are much more capable machines.

Look for chuwi herobox, beelink, etc

The pi's were priced right when they were $35, because adding storage, case, RTC hat, powersupply, etc would double or triple the machine build cost but still land These days you can buy new windows tablets for $200 (from big companies like HP for example), and these low end NUC style boxes frequently for less than $100. Sure the perf isn't great, but even the worst are equal or better than the very aged A72, low clocked designs lacking even crypto acceleration you find in the rpi4.

Never mind if your actually trying to just save money, midrange refurb and used machines from a couple years back will give you perf within a few percent of the current hardware in the same price range, and its going to be far more capable.

(I just stumbled on a very capable i5 based HP slim fanless desktop, refurb for $109 on amazon while checking the prices of that chuwi. There are a bunch of these "laptop in a slim desktop" case systems frequently for very reasonable prices.)

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