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I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

markdown wrote: post #172
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #157

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Malls are the worst when it comes to security theater. Most will check your car's boot for illicit materials when you park. But they won't check the car's interios - you could have anything inside! You'll usually be frisked at the mall entrance. Women will only get frisked by a female security guard. If the female security guard is absent (pretty common), any female visitor can just walk through without getting frisk…

Wait, everyone gets frisked at Indian malls? Was certainly not my experience 20 years ago.

At least happens here in Delhi. I can't remember if it happened before the 26th November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, but that might have been the instigating factor.

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Post by narrator »

roenxi wrote: post #108
somat wrote: post #37

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The paperwork is an attempt(usually misguided) to stop the corruption. The idea is that if you have to account and document all actions you will have act in the proscribed manner and not in a way that benefits you. This usually fails for the reason you posted. I am not really sure how you are supposed to stop corruption once it gets rooted in your society. It is a vile and subversive menace that turns every one into…

> I am not really sure how you are supposed to stop corruption once it gets rooted in your society. Well, assuming that all people are roughly the same as each other, the answer would be to adopt traditions and systems from countries that aren't corrupt. Attempt the sisyphean task of convincing people that giving power to the middle class is going to lead to a better future. As your comment reveals, the instinct when…

I am a fan of the Singapore anti-corruption method of paying bureaucrats a lot of money. That way they don't have to have corruption side hustles and you can attract good talent to these positions. Somehow this is more unpopular than widespread political corruption.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by kwere »

anshumankmr wrote: post #114

Here's some interesting things that I believe are universally true in India: 1) People succeed here inspite of the government, not cause of it.* 2) Indians can be successful anywhere except India. *Unless you are rich enough to bend the laws to your needs.

and still it seems a lot of india fetishes socialism/commando economy USSR style. why?

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Post by Spooky23 »

eastbound wrote: post #176
otikik wrote: post #158

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I would go as far as to say that a little bit of corruption is healthy. It adds flexibility. For example: you don't want to register your neighbor's daughter for taxes just so that she can babysit your child once or twice. That is crazytalk. And yes, a lot of countries make sure that small payments don't require registration or taxes. This was just a quick example to make the point, sometimes the general law is just…

Well for small payments we need a simple tax box, no country is doing that, all countries require a ton of paperwork for each new “employee”.

The problem is that the revenue leakage for babysitters and other under the table services is lower than the scaled grifts that an “easy box” would generate.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by loceng »

klausjensen wrote: post #109

~5 years ago, I hired three Indian developers. They asked me if we could set up an Indian legal entity, so that they could just get regular salaries in India with tax payments, deductions etc taken care of. I agreed and we got it done. One of the worst business-decisions of my life. The amount of red tape, stupid rules, corruption, signatures, stamps, showing up physically in a certain office etc etc... Mindblowing.…

Well, certainly someone got your money.

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Post by hef19898 »

pjc50 wrote: post #146
pjmlp wrote: post #92

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I wouldn't consider Germany and Switzerland that corrupt.

They aren't, but there's definitely some present at the top. With enough money on the table, how could it be otherwise? Others have mentioned gas, but there's also BaFin/Wirecard: https://newrepublic.com/article/162084/weird-extremely-germa...

Almost forgot about that one... I wonder how they are going to contain the fallout from this to some low level BaFin employees and Wirecard's leadership. because it will be contained, nobody went to jail for things like the 2006 FIFA World Cup for example, or the various defense contracts in the last decade, or...

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Post by Spooky23 »

miroljub wrote: post #188
leidenfrost wrote: post #161

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But the parent comment is right. The knee jerk reaction against corruption is to centralize power: "X institutions are corrupt, we will give more power to this candidate who demonstrated to be a good person, so he will vanish those institutions and saves us fron corruption". That's what Bolsonaro did in Brazil. In his campaign, he demonstrated to be a good christian and a person of faith. In Brazil, people strongly a…

> That's what Bolsonaro did in Brazil. In his campaign, he demonstrated to be a good christian and a person of faith. In Brazil, people strongly associate that with being a good person. Wasn't Bolsonaro elected because the previous president and his main opponent (Lula?) was so corrupt that he even landed in jail, which is a rare event for a prominent politician? > Guess what happened after. Care to explain to non Br…

In a nutshell, he decided that streamlining things by eliminating courts and elections would help him achieve his vision.

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Post by moralestapia »

twawaaay wrote: post #192

You are doing it wrong. What they really wanted from you was a bribe, not a stack of papers. Nobody will ever openly admit they want a bribe. They will just drown you in bureaucracy until you get the idea.

"Oh, that's nice then" ... nope.

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Post by cubancigar11 »

somat wrote: post #37
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #10

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Countries with high paperwork and bureaucratic burden are famous for also being highly corrupt. This is probably not a coincidence. Likely all the excess paperwork makes it easier to hide what's really going on, easy to provide roadblocks for those who don't pay, and easier to generally hide bad activity in a sea of noise.

The paperwork is an attempt(usually misguided) to stop the corruption. The idea is that if you have to account and document all actions you will have act in the proscribed manner and not in a way that benefits you. This usually fails for the reason you posted. I am not really sure how you are supposed to stop corruption once it gets rooted in your society. It is a vile and subversive menace that turns every one into…

This is a popular misconception. Paperwork is basically created as part of job being done by the government employee. This employee is hired due to connections and the paperwork created to justify the job. The pointlessness makes people exert the tiniest amount of power they have, like reddit mods. The monetary corruption is more related to salary which is related to well being of economy.

For example, during British Raj almost any British who could, got a job to move these papers in India. India inherited that machinery and hasn't moved to economical right yet. The current government is trying but you can read how it is a bad government in western media since it came to power. The corruption in government allows foreign interference so of course.

- unhappy Indian

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