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I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by Tryk »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #157
srmarm wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember dropping my bag at a luggage store at the big train station in Mumbai. Bags needed to be scanned before being stored, not uncommon. Except the scanner was on the other side of the station. So I was sent off and queued up to get my bag scanned and more importantly get my receipt stamped to say it'd been scanned walked back through the crowds where I could have done anything with the bag - to the luggage dro…

Malls are the worst when it comes to security theater. Most will check your car's boot for illicit materials when you park. But they won't check the car's interios - you could have anything inside! You'll usually be frisked at the mall entrance. Women will only get frisked by a female security guard. If the female security guard is absent (pretty common), any female visitor can just walk through without getting frisk…

Do you mean shopping malls?

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by markdown »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #157
srmarm wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember dropping my bag at a luggage store at the big train station in Mumbai. Bags needed to be scanned before being stored, not uncommon. Except the scanner was on the other side of the station. So I was sent off and queued up to get my bag scanned and more importantly get my receipt stamped to say it'd been scanned walked back through the crowds where I could have done anything with the bag - to the luggage dro…

Malls are the worst when it comes to security theater. Most will check your car's boot for illicit materials when you park. But they won't check the car's interios - you could have anything inside! You'll usually be frisked at the mall entrance. Women will only get frisked by a female security guard. If the female security guard is absent (pretty common), any female visitor can just walk through without getting frisk…

Wait, everyone gets frisked at Indian malls?

Was certainly not my experience 20 years ago.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by otikik »

lelanthran wrote: post #48
agileAlligator wrote: post #33

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> It seems like the problem is that the author has a moral objection to paying bribes Duh?

>> It seems like the problem is that the author has a moral objection to paying bribes > Duh? It's only "Duh" because you snipped the qualifier out. It's not "Duh" if you read until the end of the sentence like you normally do: > in an area where bribery is customary See?

The fact that a lot of people do it customarily doesn't preclude for it to me morally reprehensible.

To bring it to the extremes: If I found myself visiting Germany during World War 2, I would still strongly object to killing jews, even if it was "customary" there.

And since know this is a reductio-at-hitlerum, I will try again: I would not seek or consent or engage to having pedophilic sexual intercourse if I found myself in certain neighborhoods of Thailand, where apparently it is commonplace.

Perhaps a bit less extreme: I would not expect someone who is a convinced vegetarian to start consuming meat when they arrive to my country just because meat is consumed in almost every meal here.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by unmole »

llampx wrote: post #130
unmole wrote: post #71

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> Becoming an IAS/IPS officer is the most prestigious thing you can do as an individual. If you are in UP and Bihar. That's not true for the rest of the country.

Is that because of their geographical proximity to New Delhi, the capital?

No, it's because these states have fewer options.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by eastbound »

otikik wrote: post #158
ricardobayes wrote: post #122

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It's actually kind of disturbing how there are basically only a handful of countries on the planet without systematic corruption. Maybe there are none. Perhaps it's a human trait.

I would go as far as to say that a little bit of corruption is healthy. It adds flexibility. For example: you don't want to register your neighbor's daughter for taxes just so that she can babysit your child once or twice. That is crazytalk. And yes, a lot of countries make sure that small payments don't require registration or taxes. This was just a quick example to make the point, sometimes the general law is just…

Well for small payments we need a simple tax box, no country is doing that, all countries require a ton of paperwork for each new “employee”.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by cameronh90 »

protomolecule wrote: post #58
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #8

India's obsession with paperwork is unceasing and baffling. Everything requires an application, even when everything can be done digitally. You need letters and stamps to get anything done. Case in point: the "company stamps" that are required for everything you do with your business. From getting a debit card to changing the maturity instructions for a corporate deposit, you need to sign your name AND stamp it with…

We had company stamps and sole proprietor's stamps in Russia too but they became optional 7 years ago. It was Soviet legacy and it's surprising that India still hasn't got rid of it.

Singapore still has company stamps.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by hef19898 »

pjmlp wrote: post #92
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #10

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Countries with high paperwork and bureaucratic burden are famous for also being highly corrupt. This is probably not a coincidence. Likely all the excess paperwork makes it easier to hide what's really going on, easy to provide roadblocks for those who don't pay, and easier to generally hide bad activity in a sea of noise.

I wouldn't consider Germany and Switzerland that corrupt.

Just google Franz Josef Strauss for some history on German corruption. Followed by a quick search on how exactly the government sourced face masks during COVID (same political part basically).

For Switzerland, well, a quick search for money laundering gives you all the information you need.

EDIT: Both the FIFA and the IOCI, probably the most corrupt organizations on earth, are having their seats in Switzerland.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by trendroid »

Tryk wrote: post #171
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #157

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Malls are the worst when it comes to security theater. Most will check your car's boot for illicit materials when you park. But they won't check the car's interios - you could have anything inside! You'll usually be frisked at the mall entrance. Women will only get frisked by a female security guard. If the female security guard is absent (pretty common), any female visitor can just walk through without getting frisk…

Do you mean shopping malls?

Not op but yes they meant that.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by hef19898 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #110
pjmlp wrote: post #92

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I wouldn't consider Germany and Switzerland that corrupt.

At least for Germany... we're not overtly corrupt: you don't need to bribe policemen to get out of fake charges or traffic stops, you don't need to bribe city officials for building permits. But at the large scale, we are absolutely a corrupt nation: our former Chancellor Schröder sold us out to Russia, there have been dozens of millions euros worth of (shockingly ruled legal) corruption during the pandemic, the larg…

True, for building permits, either fast or out of the usual and other edge cases, you don't need to bribe people, you need to know the people in charge very well.

EDIT: Nobody wants to donate overtly to the AfD, that's why they had already multiple investigations into their finances and donations. A large part of which came from Switzerland. They do have those donation scandals in common with the CDU and CSU, those received anonymous donations in cash in briefcases. And Schäuble, who ended up as Finance Minister in the federal government later, got away with, I kid you not, "I do not remember that briefcase containing 100,000 bucks" (emphasize from me). So, it seems all parties in Germany are corrupt, some more than others, with the exact degree of corruption directly proportional to the time in actual power.

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