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Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by pertymcpert » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 5:41 AM UTC

arberx wrote: post #100

chollida1 wrote: post #4

Numbers: - Q4 wearables of $9.6B, beats est byu close to $1B - Q4 Services Rev fo $19.2B short of Est by $800M - Q4 iphone Rev of $42.6B meets Est - Q4 ipad Rev of $7.2B, short of Est by $600M - Q4 Rev of $90.2B beats Est by $2B, that also means its up 8ish% YoY - Q4 Mac Revenue of $11.5B, beats by $2B, nice, forgot they make computers;) - China Rev of $15.5B, this is interesting, AAPL clearly has alot of China expos…

> AAPLE has $23B in cash, down 1/3 from this time last year. Mostly given back to investors. Probably nothing to worry about here:) This is the lowest cash level since 2014. Actually, concerning going into potentially a recession.

They can issue more equity if they need to.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by pertymcpert » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 5:42 AM UTC

happyopossum wrote: post #79

microtherion wrote: post #56

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Apple has 150k employees. Probably get <$15 revenue on average per employee/day, 230 days a year. So <$500M of revenue a year, and with the price/quality of the food, I doubt it's being run at a profit (It's not like they have a wine menu to boost their bottom line).

Most of those 150k employees are in retail, who don't eat at their cafeterias, and $15 is a stretch at that - I think the most I ever spent at a cafe Macs was about $10... All that to say, you're probably off by about 80%....

You haven't been there in a while have you?

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by RayVR » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 5:45 AM UTC

sheeshkebab wrote: post #202

lotsofpulp wrote: post #111

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Can you give an example of how the US government has made other countries use products from those 3 businesses?

Not sure if it counts, but one of the main reasons US big tech is big is bc it was largely sponsored by federal reserve stimulus over the past 14 years.

This is utter nonsense

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by adrianN » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 5:54 AM UTC

tshaddox wrote: post #126

duped wrote: post #74

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Almost every adult in the developed world needs a smart phone. They replace these devices about every 2-3 years. Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). They've convinced about a billion people on the planet that the iPhone is the best device for them, so if you split that into…

> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

I use an iPhone instead of an Android because I still get software updates for the iPhone 7 (2016).

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by kjreact » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 5:56 AM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #349

kjreact wrote: post #299

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> Not until you start telling me that I don't have a right to eat food that the FDA hasn't approved for me. If you only eat FDA-certified food, good for you. It's a service the government provides free-of-charge, and some people like it. It is illegal to import unapproved drugs, so yes FDA can stop you. And no the FDA is not really “free-of-charge” since you pay them through your tax dollars. But I concede that, like…

> Why the necessity to force Apple to do the same? Because both of us can coexist without forcing the other out of the room. John Deere didn't have a right to fleece farmers just because some people would pay for their premium services and others would not. They were sued for antitrust violation because of this[0], which isn't a far cry from the way Apple treats their repair partners or developers. The precedent of t…

> John Deere didn't have a right to fleece farmers just because some people would pay for their premium services and others would not.

I don’t believe that the John Deere case is an apples to apples comparison (pun intended, sorry). From my understanding the case mainly revolved around third party mechanics who previously were able to repair their tractors, but were later locked out by John Deere’s software updates thus eliminating a whole third party repair industry.

In Apple’s case I see Google apps, Microsoft apps, Facebook apps all available on the App Store. I see independent apps written by small developers. I see a multitude of competitors on the App Store.

> Meanwhile, people are installing iPhone rootkits through invisible iMessage exploits... it's not a great look.

Similarly, Android was affected by the Stagefright bug which used MMS, so I’m not sure what your example is trying to prove. Every vendor has vulnerabilities, it’s an unending arms race. If anything the fact that Android is so fragmented makes it more difficult to protect against vulnerabilities. IMO adding more app stores is just creating this same fragmentation.

Going back to side-loading for iOS, can’t you compile and deploy your own code via XCode onto your own iPhone? There’s definitely hoops you need to jump, but it is possible. You don’t even need to use XCode, you can do so in VS. Doesn’t this process provide the freedom that you asked for without the need of a third party app store?

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by Zircom » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 5:59 AM UTC

Aloha wrote: post #357

tshaddox wrote: post #126

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> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

Based on the stridency android users tell me how "they're sorry for me" I fear never. I didnt want a religious war, I just want to use my phone in peace without hearing how you feel about my vendor of telephone. I cant even mention it in passing.

I have way more iphone users dump on me for using an Android than I see android users dump on iPhones. Just another anecdata.

I don't really have many techy friends though so, that might weigh into it a little.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by anshumankmr » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 6:04 AM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #30

ckastner wrote: post #3

Annual revenue of $394 billion, more than a billion a day. Not the first company to do it, though. Exxon did it in the 2000s when oil was up to $140, and I think Walmart did it, too.

Their numbers seem utterly unreal to me. How on earth do you sell $205 billion worth of just a single product (iPhone) every year? This is simply the greatest business to have ever been created. I can't imagine anything else ever topping it. The margins AND the volume are both insane.

Also, it has AirPods which sell like crazy. It has some hit shows like Ted Lasso so I guess people paid for AppleTV. Also, it has the crazy commission it charges for app purchases, people also like Apple Music. And it probably has a decent chunk of money from ads as well.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by tsujamin » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 6:05 AM UTC

krzyk wrote: post #387

tcmart14 wrote: post #162

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I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagshi…

The so called gimmicks is progress, how would you know what sticks if you don't try? And it was one of the best features of android. Apple makes boring product, that makes it easy for app developers to test (recently less so). AFAIR Android has still more de ices. Android is more of a power user device (you can do more, you can root it, think hack as in hacker news). From power user perspective iPhone is like Windows…

> From power user perspective iPhone is like Windows and Android like Linux.

A widely adopted platform/operating system with every improving security fundamentals versus a kernel with numerous spins each awaiting their day on the desktop: This is apt in a manner the author certainly did not intended..

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by zo1 » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 6:21 AM UTC

Zircom wrote: post #416

Aloha wrote: post #357

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Based on the stridency android users tell me how "they're sorry for me" I fear never. I didnt want a religious war, I just want to use my phone in peace without hearing how you feel about my vendor of telephone. I cant even mention it in passing.

I have way more iphone users dump on me for using an Android than I see android users dump on iPhones. Just another anecdata. I don't really have many techy friends though so, that might weigh into it a little.

Let's also not mention the social stigma and peer pressure kids exert on each other because they don't have an iPhone and their name is apparently some different color one chat window.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by silisili » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 6:33 AM UTC

tshaddox wrote: post #126

duped wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost every adult in the developed world needs a smart phone. They replace these devices about every 2-3 years. Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). They've convinced about a billion people on the planet that the iPhone is the best device for them, so if you split that into…

> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

Apple makes the best phone hardware, in best class of cameras, best battery life, best update policy. I can totally see why anyone would buy one.

But I just can't stand using the thing. So, I'm an Android user. But you'd have to be really misinformed to not be able to admit on paper, they are superior devices.