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Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by nine_k »

bee_rider wrote: post #326
tcmart14 wrote: post #162

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I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagshi…

> Addition: And I think one thing that really hurt the Android ecosystem is when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick. Where as Apple really just buttoned down and developed a really solid phone. A lot of android phone makers were just focusing on gimmicks like styluses or niche features to set them apart from other Android instead of just really developing a g…

My Android phone has two gimmicks.

- It's waterproof, dustproof, and shock-proof out of the box. I can image an iPhone can pull this off in a third-party protective case.

- It can sideload software; I have some important apps managed by f-droid. Sorry, iPhone can't do this by design. It's not "strictly better", every such decision is a balancing act. But it's what I prefer.

Things like microSD card, 3.5mm jack, etc are nice but not the essential differentiating factors.

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Post by dmix »

dexterdog wrote: post #372
dmix wrote: post #52

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And considering you probably use your laptop 10x more often than your car spending $2 grand on the best around isn’t really much to ask. Especially if they last long which they tend to, especially do if you get AppleCare.

AppleCare doesn't make it last longer. It's just an expensive insurance policy with often high deductibles. If you manage a fleet of Macs it's much cheaper to just keep extras on-hand since most AppleCare claims require two shipments to get it fixed and you need something to use during that time.

I was talking about startup/personal usage from my own experience. Managing a fleet is a totally different usecase.

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Post by orangecat »

gopalv wrote: post #169
civilized wrote: post #153

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Satya Nadella can pry my MacBook Pro from my cold, head hands.

The worry is that the person prying it, rather gently, will be Tim Cook. The only hedge against that is the ecosystem for phone & ipad development is still the macbooks - so it does hurt Apple to take away the ability to write your own apps on a Macbook. I got a new ipad this week and it is pretty clear that 99% of my non-work life can be lived on it - banks, games and all the streaming apps. I don't have any more co…

The only hedge against that is the ecosystem for phone & ipad development is still the macbooks

And there are any number of ways around that. "Developer mode" iPads that run Xcode and a Unix shell and that start at $5000, or a web development environment that does builds on Apple's servers, or just release the internal Windows/Linux Xcode versions that they almost certainly have.

Fortunately Macs are currently too profitable for them to kill, but that can change quickly.

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Post by fomine3 »

hoot wrote: post #340
kube-system wrote: post #335

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> when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick I don’t think they ever grew out of it. https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-z/ https://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones-razr-family

I bought a Galaxy fold last week and returned it yesterday. The form factor and larger screen was cool, but holy cow did Android feel like a huge downgrade from iOS. It was just all kinds of little quality of life things in iOS that I instantly missed. I think I needed something like one extra button press to get to the flashlight on Android and that did me in.

I have both Galaxy Z Fold3 and iPhone 13 mini. Flashlight on Galaxy is really great. On settings, set double click power button to launch flashlight (perhaps most people use it to quick launch camera). It's really quick even compared to other Android phones I have ever. It's sad that it's not possible on iPhone, because mini is handy so suitable for flashlight.

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Post by fomine3 »

kube-system wrote: post #335
tcmart14 wrote: post #162

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I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagshi…

> when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick I don’t think they ever grew out of it. https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-z/ https://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones-razr-family

I argue Fold is a real significant improvement in this decade for who need. There's no other way to have tablet on my pocket. Flip seems to just a gimmick for me.

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Post by asdff »

nekoashide wrote: post #41
pavlov wrote: post #7

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So Apple Watch and AirPods is almost as big a business as the Mac. Wow, I didn’t realize that. Quite a vindication of Tim Cook’s decade at the helm.

To the regular consumer both of those things are tied to the same ecosystem as the iPhone and people want to be seen in public with the latest gadgets. I'm not sure people feel that way about buying a new Mac.

Most iphone users use a case, then it looks like every one made in the last 5 years

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Post by krzyk »

tcmart14 wrote: post #162
tshaddox wrote: post #126

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> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagshi…

The so called gimmicks is progress, how would you know what sticks if you don't try?

And it was one of the best features of android.

Apple makes boring product, that makes it easy for app developers to test (recently less so).

AFAIR Android has still more de ices.

Android is more of a power user device (you can do more, you can root it, think hack as in hacker news).

From power user perspective iPhone is like Windows and Android like Linux.

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Post by Maursault »

rattray wrote: post #371
Maursault wrote: post #352

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> it turned out it was the neighbor's HVAC unit The problem is everywhere. The HVAC industry really cheaps-out on rubber grommets.

The problem is rubber grommets??

Outdoor unit makes noise, but noise travels up and out, not over. Problem is vibrations. Screw a metal vibrating thing into a concrete pad, vibrations travel through pad into ground, across the ground, vibrating the foundation, walls, glass, etc. of neighboring home. Rubber grommets between the metal and the concrete pad mitigates vibration. It's actually supposed to be there for all metal feet screwed into pad, but you rarely see it, causing unnecessary low frequency noise pollution, and the vibrations themselves, as far as vibrations go, are bad vibrations.

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Post by karlshea »

Aloha wrote: post #357
tshaddox wrote: post #126

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> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

Based on the stridency android users tell me how "they're sorry for me" I fear never. I didnt want a religious war, I just want to use my phone in peace without hearing how you feel about my vendor of telephone. I cant even mention it in passing.

I was around for the Mac/PC wars and the console wars. I just don't have the energy to give a shit about some "side" anymore, I'm gonna use what I want.

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Post by krrrh »

_hypx wrote: post #354
dumpsterdiver wrote: post #301

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I tried Android years ago when I bought an abominable B&N Nook Color, and it became clear very quickly that there was no plan to keep the device updated with security patches, etc. Not only that, but the OS had been grotesquely hobbled in an attempt to keep you within B&N's sad walled garden. I understand there are flagship devices that don't have this problem, and maybe this is unfair of me, but I came to expect tha…

The Nook was a failure because B&N does not have the resources to maintain their own platform. Samsung is probably the only real competitor to Apple here. However, in the long run, it is likely that open platforms will win. Eventually, the Android ecosystem will get to a point where such software updates stop being a challenge. Then you can just buy a generic Android phone and nearly everything will work. Probably it…

Next year will surely be the year of the Linux desktop.
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