Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by csomar » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:07 AM UTC

samatman wrote: post #60

retskrad wrote: post #15

Holy moly, the Mac keeps growing like crazy. It’s amusing how Apple wanted the iPad to disrupt the Mac but the advent of M-Series chips on the Mac has really nipped that ambition in the bud.

I remember when I got my first Retina laptop screen, it was nice but I quickly just got used to it. Then, I found myself using the earlier machine, without the high DPI. That learned me. It was hard to imagine all the work I'd done staring through a screen door at those pixels. Similarly, I've been using the M1 MPB since I got it. I only remember that it never makes noise when I'm reminded of it, such as in this conv…

I'm using the Intel 12th gen and I don't hear noises even when compiling Rust projects. The only time I hear noises is when some Electron web app burns my CPU for no reason.

I also get 7-8 hours of work (that is compiling code during these hours) and something like 12 hours without compilation work.

I'm using Archlinux with Sway and enable/disable GPU as needed. It's not as perfect as Apple's new M2 but it's close to competition.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by Gigachad » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

junofan wrote: post #35

SoftTalker wrote: post #21

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It's amazing. I sometimes wonder what value these people see in this stuff. I guess I just "think different" as nothing that Apple offers is compelling to me in the slightest way. Yet one can't deny the reality.

Even Linus Torvalds uses a MacBook now. I just can’t find nicer machines out there.

This fact amused me when I found out. He did part of the work to port fedora to the M series. He also has stated a few times that he can’t stand fan noise. His home office has a threadripper desktop designed to be silent.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by andsoitis » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #253

kjreact wrote: post #213

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> Well, Apple could just... let people install other stores. So the solution is to let another big tech be the gatekeeper? If a customer thinks Google is a better gatekeeper then they should stick with Android. Nothing wrong with that. > Do what F-Droid does, compare the downloaded binary against a first-party checksum for the release (usually provided by Github). But my issue is not that something has been tampered…

> So the solution is to let another big tech be the gatekeeper? No, the solution is explicitly stopping big tech from being a gatekeeper. Apple can continue to sell their "premium" App Store with amazing security benefits and brilliant moderation, while advanced users can toggle the "freedom mode" setting or whatever and go get IPA files off Github. It's not some pie-in-the-sky concept, it's how software distribution…

What do you think should be the parameters / conditions / requirements Apple should establish for such 3rd party app stores? For instance, any requirements on them for a baseline of security checks?

Or would you want Apple out of that loop too?

As a side question, are there stats on which are the most popular Android app stores (e.g. top 10 ranked by usage or something like that). I ask because I wonder, in practice, how many app stores are really used at any scale on Android.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by mostlysimilar » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:10 AM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #265

mostlysimilar wrote: post #260

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> Well, Apple could just... let people install other stores. The only way I would be okay with this is if Apple required any app you provide in an alternative store must be available in the official App Store as well. The last thing I want is for Meta to come along and mandate you install their 3rd party app store in order to use Instagram. I don't even want this app on my phone but I use it to keep in touch with fri…

> the first thing they would do if Apple was forced to allow it is launch their own and take Instagram etc. off the official Apple App Store. How do you know? First off, Google allows this on Android, and Meta hasn't made their own store on there. Second off, their revenue from Instagram is largely supplanted by an advertising business that Apple happily supports. They have no reason to remove it from the App Store.…

> How do you know?

You're right, I don't know for sure. But I have a feeling they'd be eager to escape the 30% cut of transactions. [0] Not to mention bypassing the rules around user tracking.

> Third off, stopping businesses from making anticonsumer decisions isn't an argument against abolishing anticonsumer practices.

I don't fully follow, what do you mean by this?

> We wouldn't be in this situation in the first place if Apple didn't unfairly use their position of power to impose a tax on all payment processing that happens on their operating system.

That I agree with. 30% is steep and feels excessive. But I'm just arguing as an end user I value the peace of mind that I can install any app from their App Store with a reasonable amount of confidence. It's not perfect and things do slip through the cracks, but it's better than nothing.

0: https://businessinsider.mx/meta-accuses-apple-undercutting-b...

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by sib » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:16 AM UTC

microtherion wrote: post #56

MetaverseClub wrote: post #23

I'm just curious how much Rev/Profit they made on selling employee lunches and dinners.

Apple has 150k employees. Probably get <$15 revenue on average per employee/day, 230 days a year. So <$500M of revenue a year, and with the price/quality of the food, I doubt it's being run at a profit (It's not like they have a wine menu to boost their bottom line).

Do they own and operate the cafeterias? Or is it a third-party service provider?

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by eldaisfish » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:19 AM UTC

ethbr0 wrote: post #257

scarface74 wrote: post #255

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And then you will get at most three upgrades!

At the 6+, it looks like it's at 5 years (or more). https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en

provided your phone doesn't bootloop or otherwise have the hardware fail. Android phones - from google in particular - are notorious for this. Should things fail, you're screwed.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by makeitdouble » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:23 AM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #188

makeitdouble wrote: post #159

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That's more subtle than that, and probably closer to how French treat their wine business for instance. An example of gov intervention: banning Huawei as it was rising as a global phone maker, international tarriff negociation (the whole stupid tarriff war happened as China was rising as high end device exporter), protecting Apple's business when challenged on anti-trust grounds (Apple's open stance to the judge was…

How is that an example of US government influencing other countries’ purchasing decisions?

That's a pretty straight example: https://www.cnas.org/press/in-the-news/u-s-campaign-to-ban-h...

(Original source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/17/us/politics/huawei-ban.ht...)

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by jfghi » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:23 AM UTC

ww520 wrote: post #249

tshaddox wrote: post #126

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> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

Ha. I switched to Apple's phones because of the disappointment in the competing products and practices. It's angry-quit into Apple rather than brainwashing.

I used to like Motorola when the batteries were readily replaceable.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by alpaca128 » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:24 AM UTC

gigel82 wrote: post #245

retskrad wrote: post #15

Holy moly, the Mac keeps growing like crazy. It’s amusing how Apple wanted the iPad to disrupt the Mac but the advent of M-Series chips on the Mac has really nipped that ambition in the bud.

I don't know why developers are so infatuated with laptops (and at this point I'm too afraid to ask? :)). But seriously, I need a full-sized keyboard, a mouse, and at least 2 monitors to feel productive. Yes, I realize you can probably hook those up to a laptop with a bunch of adapters and hubs too, but I also use my machines to game, so...

If I need a mouse and multiple screens I can't feel productive, that usually means the software doesn't have enough support for keyboard shortcuts and window management has too much friction.

> I don't know why developers are so infatuated with laptops

I need a laptop now and then either way, and having two computers means double the cost and more work to keep everything between them in sync. And I switched to a console for gaming, Windows 10 updates pissed me off enough that I'll never touch a Microsoft OS again.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by soderfoo » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 1:24 AM UTC

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #238

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #30

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Their numbers seem utterly unreal to me. How on earth do you sell $205 billion worth of just a single product (iPhone) every year? This is simply the greatest business to have ever been created. I can't imagine anything else ever topping it. The margins AND the volume are both insane.

I find it more depressing than anything else. The amount of those sales that was actually needed instead of upgraded for vanity is quite small. Imagine all the wasted resources and e waste so someone can have a different model number that is one higher for their phone, so they can feel better than their friends and spend more time looking at their phone. Our largest company is based on profiting from human greed and…

Well put, really catches the uneasy sentiment I feel reading consumerism threads like this.

It seems large enterprises conveniently downplay the Reduce and Reuse tenets of the 3R reduce, reuse, recycle mantra.

All this vanity and waste at such a great cost, for what? IG, tiktok, memes? I'm guilty of it myself at times, but I try to repair and repurpose as much as possible.

I think we are better than this. The time and energy of so many brilliant minds (here on HN, present company included) is squandered.

A bit off topic, apologies. Hopefully I can direct this energy to being more focused and finding clarity.