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Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by dang »

culi wrote: post #77
dang wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still want to write some software to support community-curated lists of related links. It would include whatever I'm currently posting as "related"* plus fabulous contributions like cloudier's above. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

This is also a dream of mine and I have many thoughts around this. I have a lot of little collections like this list and have always wanted a way to open this up to community contributions I also don't think "awesome lists" are a sufficient solution for a number of reasons. Like this list is a perfect example of something that would (1) definitely get ignored on GitHub, (2) not reach the most likely target audiences,…

If you (or anyone!) have any concrete ideas to offer about how list of related links could best be incorporated into HN's UI, I'd like to hear them!

We'd be looking to make the minimum possible change while adding such a feature. The goal is a "splash free dive" as sctb used to say. Most ways that I've thought of doing it (so far) involve too much splash.

Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by jameshart »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #35
jasode wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't have to apply force in any different direction if you put scissors with symmetric handles in the wrong hand. [...] But that's not the same as needing to apply force any differently. For precision made scissors with tight tolerances at the pivot joint and sharp blades (premium brands like Kai, Gingher, etc), it will cut with either hand. But for scissors with a loose rivet (like cheaper scissors very commo…

It sounds like you and they have decided that a human hand scissoring may only push inward or outward or neither using one side of the hand but not the other. That's not true about hands or about scissors though, even poorly constructed scissors. Your thumb and fingers of both hands are equally capable of producing both separating and joining force while closing. You and they have just decided that curling your finge…

The grip strength of curling your fingers into the base of your thumb is stronger than the pinch strength of pressing your thumb against your fingers.

Scissor ergonomics aligns the handles so applying the finger-to-base-of-thumb grip to the handles (with the upper handle pressed against the outside of your thumb’s knuckle) pulls the blades together. In order to do that, scissors have to be designed to fit either a left or right hand.

To use scissors wrong handed you have to catch the outside of your finger knuckles against the lower handle and pinch the upper handle down with your thumb.

Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

LanceH wrote: post #30
OJFord wrote: post #7

I've never really understood (said like I've spent much time thinking about it!) why wrong-handed scissors are so difficult/impossible to use. We must angle them slightly, sub-consciously, w.r.t. our standing vertical (out of the plane projected forward from our figure)?

Right hander with right handed scissors, you pull the lower loop toward yourself and push the upper loop away, this pushes the blades into each other. If you can use the "wrong-handed" scissors, you can reverse the pull/push and get the blades together, but it feels weird/unnatural. It does work, though.

I don't see how you reverse the pull and push. It's just the blades that are different, not the open/close mechanism. You squeeze to close and unsqueeze(?) to open.

The only difference is which side of the visible blade the cut is.

Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #63
OJFord wrote: post #7

I've never really understood (said like I've spent much time thinking about it!) why wrong-handed scissors are so difficult/impossible to use. We must angle them slightly, sub-consciously, w.r.t. our standing vertical (out of the plane projected forward from our figure)?

I'm a lefty and left-handed scissors are impossible for me to use. And not from lack of exposure I think, one of my memories from elementary school was the teacher trying to make me use left-handed scissors because she knew I was a lefty, but they simply wouldn't cut for me. I think there must be more to the left/right handed thing, because I'm effectively right-handed in everything I do except writing. Even in novel…

> one of my memories from elementary school was the teacher trying to make me use left-handed scissors because she knew I was a lefty, but they simply wouldn't cut for me.

People tend to damage the left-handed scissors because they use them wrong: it bends the blades slightly apart. If you apply seemingly-excessive lateral force to the handles while closing the blades together, they work fine. (Also, new, undamaged pairs work fine.)

You do have to hold left-handed scissors at a slightly different angle to cut, though. If you're used to right-handed scissors, it's a difficult adjustment to make.

Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by bagels »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #6
Joker_vD wrote: post #4

That's the first time I've heard that there are left- and right-handed scissors. Is there actually a noticeable difference in usage?

Handle ergonomics aside, because scissors aren't required to have ergonomic handles, you really want the nearer blade on the bottom so you can see exactly where the cut will be. A nearer top blade would overhang and obstruct the view of the cut line. People talking about causing the paper to fold are either describing how they have subconsciously tilted the scissors to be able to see where they are cutting or the fac…

Most people are used to using really cheap, dull scissors with poor blade contact. That's what makes the paper fold over.

Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by LanceH »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #93
LanceH wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right hander with right handed scissors, you pull the lower loop toward yourself and push the upper loop away, this pushes the blades into each other. If you can use the "wrong-handed" scissors, you can reverse the pull/push and get the blades together, but it feels weird/unnatural. It does work, though.

I don't see how you reverse the pull and push. It's just the blades that are different, not the open/close mechanism. You squeeze to close and unsqueeze(?) to open. The only difference is which side of the visible blade the cut is.

Assuming right handed with right handed scissors, looking down at what you cut:

You put a couple fingers through the bottom loop. Most people don't pull those straight upward, but pull a bit toward their hand. This pushes the blade to the left as it closes. Likewise with the thumb you push away a bit, which pushes the blade to the right. Thus, both blades are pushed against each other.

Sure, you could balance the scissors perfectly and only go straight up/down. But this won't work very well when cutting something difficult since there are no forces balancing each other out. It also won't work with looser scissors (every pair in elementary school) ad the blades will remain apart from each other.

Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by ryandrake »

(originally posted to the wrong article, LOL)

I love these little measures of attention to detail. You can tell when a craftsman really thought about their work, vs. when a mere implementer stops once the design is shippable and the requirements are met. Similar to the "Cheese in the wrong place" controversy over the Google burger emoji[1].

1: https://www.elitedaily.com/p/googles-burger-emoji-shows-chee...

Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by LukeShu »

ryandrake wrote: post #98

(originally posted to the wrong article, LOL) I love these little measures of attention to detail. You can tell when a craftsman really thought about their work, vs. when a mere implementer stops once the design is shippable and the requirements are met. Similar to the "Cheese in the wrong place" controversy over the Google burger emoji[1]. 1: https://www.elitedaily.com/p/googles-burger-emoji-shows-chee...

HN truncates URLs for display, and it looks like you copied the truncated version from your original post.

fixed link: https://www.elitedaily.com/p/googles-burger-emoji-shows-chee...

Re: Which emoji scissors close (2020)

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Post by ryandrake »

LukeShu wrote: post #99
ryandrake wrote: post #98

(originally posted to the wrong article, LOL) I love these little measures of attention to detail. You can tell when a craftsman really thought about their work, vs. when a mere implementer stops once the design is shippable and the requirements are met. Similar to the "Cheese in the wrong place" controversy over the Google burger emoji[1]. 1: https://www.elitedaily.com/p/googles-burger-emoji-shows-chee...

HN truncates URLs for display, and it looks like you copied the truncated version from your original post. fixed link: https://www.elitedaily.com/p/googles-burger-emoji-shows-chee...

OMG. I need to put either the keyboard or the beer away for the night.
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