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Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by Dylan16807 »

scarface74 wrote: post #414
Dylan16807 wrote: post #392

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> A “good” USB C cable that supports all of the things I said - high speed data, video over USB, etc - costs around $15. The same price as an Anker Lightning cable. But the Lightning cable won't support high speed data. And if you want video over Lightning you can't just use a cable, you need an adapter with an embedded computer to decompress the output. A USB C cable that has the same capabilities as that Lightning…

The EU is suppose to be mandating a “standard”. What good is a “standard” that doesn’t support the “standard”? USB C cables that come with the iPad supports all of those standards. What are the chances that unsuspecting users in the EU dancing in the streets go in an buy a “standard USB C” and find out that it doesn’t work when they get ready to plug their phone to the TVs or when they find out the promise of “USB3 s…

Personally I like that the cables can get better over time, I just want them to have the speed labeled on them.

But this is a charging standard and for charging all cables are the same for the vast majority of devices.

All the stuff that might break because I don't have high speed data is no worse than lightning which never has high speed data*.

*Except for a single model of iPad.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by [deleted] »

hooverd wrote: post #39
enriquec wrote: post #20

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you may not buy the "but muh innovation" - its also sad that that passes for discourse for you - but it is economic fact. whats your opinion on "muh regulatory capture"? what about lightning vs microusb?

I don't see anybody complaining about the RJ45 format, or NEMA. If you let companies run wild they would probably come up with a way to shove DRM into connectors.

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Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by scarface74 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #419
scarface74 wrote: post #416

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They definitely don’t. The USB C cord that came with the previous MacBook Pros were power only as are a lot of other USB C cables especially ones that come with headphones. The maximum wattage of the little USB C cable that comes with headphones certainly don’t support a minimum wattage that will charge a large iPhone at any appreciable speed.

> The USB C cord that came with the previous MacBook Pros were power only Which ones? The posts I can find say they do USB 2.0 > a lot of other USB C cables especially ones that come with headphones. > The maximum wattage of the little USB C cable that comes with headphones certainly don’t support a minimum wattage that will charge a large iPhone at any appreciable speed. Those cables don't meet the standard, then. T…

Where in the law did it mention a minimum wattage?

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by tomjakubowski »

dimmke wrote: post #38

Oh my god, please please please this in the US this is an instant buy for me. Can they switch over everything? Airpods too?

Apple's Beats earbuds case is already USB-C so I imagine it's coming for Airpods.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by scarface74 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #421
scarface74 wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is suppose to be mandating a “standard”. What good is a “standard” that doesn’t support the “standard”? USB C cables that come with the iPad supports all of those standards. What are the chances that unsuspecting users in the EU dancing in the streets go in an buy a “standard USB C” and find out that it doesn’t work when they get ready to plug their phone to the TVs or when they find out the promise of “USB3 s…

Personally I like that the cables can get better over time, I just want them to have the speed labeled on them. But this is a charging standard and for charging all cables are the same for the vast majority of devices. All the stuff that might break because I don't have high speed data is no worse than lightning which never has high speed data*. *Except for a single model of iPad.

> Personally I like that the cables can get better over time

Everything I mentioned has been part of the standard fir years.

> But this is a charging standard and for charging all cables are the same for the vast majority of devices

The purported goal is to “prevent ewaste”. How does it prevent ewaste if you still can’t depend on the cords working the way they should?

> All the stuff that might break because I don't have high speed data is no worse than lightning which never has high speed data*.

Is that the bar we set now? It’s no better than what came before?

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by scarface74 »

hot_gril wrote: post #420
scarface74 wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is suppose to be mandating a “standard”. What good is a “standard” that doesn’t support the “standard”? USB C cables that come with the iPad supports all of those standards. What are the chances that unsuspecting users in the EU dancing in the streets go in an buy a “standard USB C” and find out that it doesn’t work when they get ready to plug their phone to the TVs or when they find out the promise of “USB3 s…

People just want to charge their phones. Maybe if someone actually cares about USB3 transfer speeds, they'll go buy the slightly more expensive cable for that. It's not like TVs even have USB-C. And I don't think this reduces ewaste. It's about the same.

Thought experiment: grab a random “standard USB C” cable.

Now answer a few questions just by looking at it:

- what wattage does is supper?

- what data speed does it support?

- will it support video over USB C?

Why didn’t the EU in all of its technical brilliance at least attempt to come up with a minimum “standard”?

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by Dylan16807 »

scarface74 wrote: post #423
Dylan16807 wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The USB C cord that came with the previous MacBook Pros were power only Which ones? The posts I can find say they do USB 2.0 > a lot of other USB C cables especially ones that come with headphones. > The maximum wattage of the little USB C cable that comes with headphones certainly don’t support a minimum wattage that will charge a large iPhone at any appreciable speed. Those cables don't meet the standard, then. T…

Where in the law did it mention a minimum wattage?

Now we've gone in a circle. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33365040

If the law mandates USB C, then it mandates 3 amps for cables.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by Dylan16807 »

scarface74 wrote: post #425
Dylan16807 wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I like that the cables can get better over time, I just want them to have the speed labeled on them. But this is a charging standard and for charging all cables are the same for the vast majority of devices. All the stuff that might break because I don't have high speed data is no worse than lightning which never has high speed data*. *Except for a single model of iPad.

> Personally I like that the cables can get better over time Everything I mentioned has been part of the standard fir years. > But this is a charging standard and for charging all cables are the same for the vast majority of devices The purported goal is to “prevent ewaste”. How does it prevent ewaste if you still can’t depend on the cords working the way they should? > All the stuff that might break because I don't…

> The purported goal is to “prevent ewaste”. How does it prevent ewaste if you still can’t depend on the cords working the way they should?

For charging, it's fine.

> Is that the bar we set now? It’s no better than what came before?

A charging standard shouldn't care about data except to avoid getting in the way, and it probably shouldn't mandate more expensive cables for devices that don't have data.

Also USB C supports more power than lightning.

But to directly answer: That bar is just fine, because the point is the make everyone use the same thing. It doesn't need to be better, it needs to be good and everyone the same.

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Post by pretendscholar »

dymk wrote: post #244
philsnow wrote: post #195

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> I'm generally not a fan of the EU mandating technical decisions How do you feel about California mandating emissions standards for vehicles?

CA emission standards are a waste of money and resources. WA got rid of emissions testing because almost every single car passes, and it’s actually a net increase in carbon emissions to keep the bureaucracy around. That money could be spent on carbon capture or solar subsidies instead.

>WA got rid of emissions testing because almost every single car passes

These planes keep returning with bullet holes in these areas. We should reinforce those spots!

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by AlmostAnyone »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #415
dwaite wrote: post #293

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People expect to be able to charge the headphones they use for their phone the same manner they charge their phone. I suspect they'll be quick to change over such accessories once they change the phone port - they have had several smaller revisions to the non-pro AirPods, such as adding support for wireless and MagSafe charging cases. We will likely just be able to buy a new case when that happens. The real surprise…

I've never understood why Apple mice and keyboards were popular. Just buy Logitech!

No gestures and no fingerprint reader
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