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Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by mrtranscendence »

dymk wrote: post #244
philsnow wrote: post #195

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> I'm generally not a fan of the EU mandating technical decisions How do you feel about California mandating emissions standards for vehicles?

CA emission standards are a waste of money and resources. WA got rid of emissions testing because almost every single car passes, and it’s actually a net increase in carbon emissions to keep the bureaucracy around. That money could be spent on carbon capture or solar subsidies instead.

And why, exactly, does almost every car in WA pass emissions testing? Seems like having to reach those standards to have access to the largest single US market might have something to do with it ...

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Post by scarface74 »

stop50 wrote: post #283
scarface74 wrote: post #87

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I’ve bought dozens of cords over the past decade that weren’t MFI certified and not have any issues. Do you think the top selling Lightning cables on Amazon or at your local bodega or convenience store paid Apple a fee?

Lightning is a trademark. As far as i know you can't make a lightning cable an sell it as one without paying apple

Why is this even an argument? Lightning is not something obscure. You can go on Amazon now and find hundreds of cables that are not “MFI certified”. You can’t believe all of these Chinese cables are bothering with certification.

I have a few of these:

https://a.co/d/4tSBBdi

And these

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092ZT8CJ9?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_shar...

Not a certification anywhere.

I’ve replaced all of my regular Lightning cables with these

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Post by dwaite »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #176
brundolf wrote: post #103

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> They've switched every other non-iPhone device to USB-C The only device I know of that started out on lighting and switched to USB-C was the iPad, and that was specifically because they're pushing it as a "creator" device, for which people needed to be able to plug in things like flash drives, SD card adaptors, cameras, mice and keyboards, etc. There's significantly less drive for those kinds of accessories on iPho…

It feels like anything labeled "Pro" got USB-C faster, except the AirPods Pro gen 2 :(

People expect to be able to charge the headphones they use for their phone the same manner they charge their phone. I suspect they'll be quick to change over such accessories once they change the phone port - they have had several smaller revisions to the non-pro AirPods, such as adding support for wireless and MagSafe charging cases. We will likely just be able to buy a new case when that happens.

The real surprise is that the mice, keyboards and trackpads haven't gotten a meaningful update in a long while, so there's no USB-C on any of them. You'd think they would have long ago decided to switch those to USB-C, since the computer ships with a C charger - and because they could justify removing the bundled cables from the packaging.

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Post by mft_ »

lrvick wrote: post #96

As someone that deeply detests Apple and would never give them money, I will admit the lightning connector is superior in durability, inspectability, and safety than USB type C in virtually every way. The real crime here is that Apple insisted on patenting the design and keeping it for only themselves, forcing the rest of the industry to adopt an inferior connector and ultimately force it on them too. Classic Apple.

I think lightning has a much poorer data throughput, though?

I seem to remember Apple needing to embed clever video comrpession ICs in their cables to get around this, in cases where it couldn't cope with the data needed for a raw signal?

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Post by fold3 »

tokamak-teapot wrote: post #159
brundolf wrote: post #107

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But even those non-tech people should have some USB-C cables lying around at this point Android phones have used USB-C cables for many years. The Nintendo switch and PS5 controllers use USB-C cables. Chromebooks use USB-C cables. The alarm clock I just bought uses a USB-C cable. My keyboard uses a USB-C cable. Every MacBook made in the last five years (and most iPads sold in the last couple years) uses a USB-C cable.…

I have about twelve Lightning cables (2 in car, 4 permanently installed at convenient locations, a few in my work bag, an couple in another bag and some currently missing) and one USB-C cable, which I use for charging my laptop. At some point soon, perhaps when I get a new iPhone, I am going to have to start buying more USB-C cables. I will then spend years looking at the end of cables to see what the connector looks…

I'm using a power adapter that has 1 USB A and 2 USB C output. Theses new generation chargers are very small and powerful. I can charge a laptop, a phone and a ereader at the same time.

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Post by adam_arthur »

CharlesW wrote: post #109
ribit wrote: post #49

Apple has been moving their entire lineup to USB-C for a while already (iPad Pro in 2020, iPad Mini in 2021, more devices this year) . Sure, in public they have to oppose tech sector regulation, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were secretly happy as it provides them with an excuse. If some customers who have heavily invested into the Lighting ecosystem complains then can always say "look, it was the EU, blame the…

Absolutely. If Apple would've switched to USB-C without an EU mandate, they would've received mountains of bad press about the unprecedented amount of e-waste and confusion that will result because of this switch. So they pressured the EU to mandate the change to a standard that Apple helped pioneer, so that Apple's environmentally-friendly record would remain unblemished.

The mountains of e-waste created by keeping around a zombie protocol far exceeds a transition to a widely used and accepted standard.

The majority of people with iPhone likely already have USB-C cables anyway, so requires no net new purchase

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Post by hot_gril »

brundolf wrote: post #107
dagmx wrote: post #48

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Something I found interesting when discussing this with my wife.. All my friends are tech heads and champing at the bit to have usb-c in their iPhones. But when she asked me why people were mad about the switch to usb-c it took me by surprise. Then she showed me a lot of online responses from non technical people who see the change of port as annoying and wasteful because now all their stuff won’t work without adapte…

But even those non-tech people should have some USB-C cables lying around at this point Android phones have used USB-C cables for many years. The Nintendo switch and PS5 controllers use USB-C cables. Chromebooks use USB-C cables. The alarm clock I just bought uses a USB-C cable. My keyboard uses a USB-C cable. Every MacBook made in the last five years (and most iPads sold in the last couple years) uses a USB-C cable.…

Non-tech people aren't constantly buying new tech like what you listed.

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Post by eropple »

gnicholas wrote: post #225
eropple wrote: post #217

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> there's no gain from my perspective Maybe this'll broaden that perspective a little: Apple devices since the iPhone 8 support USB-PD with C-to-Lightning cables now, and it's much faster. Decent USB-C chargers are a noticeable quality-of-life improvement.

So you're saying my iPhone will charge faster? I probably won't notice, since I only charge overnight. My phone actually pauses charging until 7 AM to manage battery health. Also, if this is already available with USB-C to Lightning cables, is there an additional speed bump if the iPhone itself has USB-C? I also just realized this means I'll have to buy new power banks, since the old ones are USB-A. That's another $4…

I also normally charge my phone at night, but I find the USB-PD charging super valuable when traveling, because if my phone is at 20% it will very very quickly be back up to 60% or so off of a USB-PD charger. Apple A-to-Lightning fast charging isn't slow, but it isn't that fast, and it's one more thing to think about.

You don't have to buy new power banks, either. And really, you don't have to buy new adapters either, if you don't want to! A-to-C is supported for both data and charging. iPads already fall back to Apple's old fast charging over A-to-C when your adapter or power bank supports it, I don't think there's a reason an iPhone wouldn't. It won't be as fast as USB-PD, but that upgrade's a choice.

Your concerns are definitely not nothing, but I think you're really overthinking it. It's not a step change, you can do it gradually, and when you go to USB-C on both ends, you'll get something for doing it. (USB-PD is currently available with C-to-Lightning cables, but you've said you don't have any of those right now, so I would assume it's not a big deal to you and you will realize the benefits when you upgrade.)

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Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

paulmd wrote: post #248
simion314 wrote: post #234

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> legally outlaw the Apple standard. Apple "standards" are DRM proprietary stuff, I would not dare to call it a standard.

like HDMI doesn't have DRM, or onerous licensing controlled by a singular, for-profit entity? oh right "Apple bad, barely even a standard!!!" Sorry if it sounds frustrated but this just isn't a very interesting tangent, either you or the throwaway coward. It's still a standard even if you don't like the licensing terms or the feature set/implementation/etc. Stop being pedantic, it's not interesting, it's not even tec…

We're moving away from proprietary "standards" more and more every year, weather Apple likes it or not. If Apple wanted a different outcome, it should have made lightning an open standard an gifted it to USB-IF.

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Post by kennend3 »

whiddershins wrote: post #182

I suspect it is harder to waterproof a usb-c jack.

Why come here to spread FUD?

Thankfully NO USB-C phones are waterproof?

Oh wait, many are?

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7533279?hl=en

Pixel 7 Pro, 7, 6a, 6 Pro, 6, 5a (5G), 5, 4, 3, and 2 phones are designed to be water-resistant.

Why would a USB-C jack be any more difficult vs lightening?

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