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Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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Yes it needs an RSS feed. Otherwise it's just an mp3 file.

So a podcast with an ATOM feed isn't a podcast? It needs a feed, sure, but not necessarily RSS.

That depends on the service or app. Some accept both, and some only take RSS. Apple Podcasts used to accept Atom feeds, but they don't anymore for new podcasts. All the feeds

Edit: do you know any podcasts that use an atom feed? None of the 80 feeds in my podcast app are atom feeds.

Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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Does anyone else take issue with Spotify branching out into other arenas (e.g., Podcasts, TV, Audiobooks, etc.)? I'm honestly kinda tired of all of these services trying to gobble up any slightly related industry. I subscribe to Spotify to listen to music, not podcasts. My podcasts arrive using a different app with the backing of the RSS standard, not Spotify's internal standard. I don't want to get a subscription co…

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Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a podcast with an ATOM feed isn't a podcast? It needs a feed, sure, but not necessarily RSS.

That depends on the service or app. Some accept both, and some only take RSS. Apple Podcasts used to accept Atom feeds, but they don't anymore for new podcasts. All the feeds Edit: do you know any podcasts that use an atom feed? None of the 80 feeds in my podcast app are atom feeds.

The underlying protocol is an implementation detail.

I don't know any atom feed podcasts (and can't find any), but I can find references to people using (or trying to use) atom for podcasts.

Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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Spotify: I want so badly to love you, and (FWIW) I'm very much on your side battling the giants like Apple. But, I'm so bothered by your approach to podcasts (the lock-in and proprietary of a previously open standard) that I can't muster much enthusiasm to defend you. It makes me think that since you're on the "bad" side of the podcasts issue when it's in your business interests, that you're only fighting on the "good" side of OP issue because it's in your business interests, and that destroys trust. Do you really think your approach to podcasts is better for anyone other than Spotify?

Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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As a consumer, I’ve actually come to prefer in app purchases. I love when a subscription is available on IAP because for something like a newspaper, I know that I can cancel it with a couple of taps instead of having to fill out some long retention form or call someone.

Are you also willing to pay the extra Apple tax for this convenience instead of expecting the subscription provider to eat those costs?

Depends on the product and the tax.

Looks like I'm paying more via IAP for Youtube ($16 vs $12/mo) and Audible ($16 vs $8/mo ???) according to the prices listed on their website.

Half of the services out there probably charge you extra just because you don't have to go through their scummy "cancel subscription" website pipeline. They probably lose millions on that along with the fact that I get an iOS notification when my IAP subscriptions renew.

One crappy autorenewing service charging my credit card directly has cost me more than IAP taxes ever will. As far as I'm concerned, IAP saves me money and the status quo for rebilling in the USA only benefits the bad actors.

Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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Does anyone else take issue with Spotify branching out into other arenas (e.g., Podcasts, TV, Audiobooks, etc.)? I'm honestly kinda tired of all of these services trying to gobble up any slightly related industry. I subscribe to Spotify to listen to music, not podcasts. My podcasts arrive using a different app with the backing of the RSS standard, not Spotify's internal standard. I don't want to get a subscription co…

> Does anyone else take issue with Spotify branching out into other arenas

Branching into audio books is the obvious next move. It's not like Netflix attempting to make games. If you think that's bad, take a look at Disney

Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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Spotify is a horrible podcast player. The audio engine doesn't have nuanced speed control or remove silence like other dedicated podcast apps. I also find the podcast UI is terrible for managing shows and play list. And then there's the bugs that don't get fixed for a long time. Last year they had one where every time a podcast was interrupted by a notification or something it would start over from the start. Lastly…

> are not, by definition, a podcast because they don't have a valid rss feed Does a podcast need to have a rss feed? All I see in definitions is that its an audio format made available over the internet. > And of course there's zero chance they will embrace podcast 2.0 features What is Podcasting 2.0? All I see is a bunch of people doing podcasting differently, namely adding ads and crypto.

Podcasting 2.0 is mostly about removing ads, shifting to a direct streaming monetary support model via crypto. The bonus with this model is once advertisers are removed free speech is no longer a problem. Also a big focus on decentralization in order to prevent censorship.

Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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> are not, by definition, a podcast because they don't have a valid rss feed Does a podcast need to have a rss feed? All I see in definitions is that its an audio format made available over the internet. > And of course there's zero chance they will embrace podcast 2.0 features What is Podcasting 2.0? All I see is a bunch of people doing podcasting differently, namely adding ads and crypto.

> Does a podcast need to have a rss feed? Canonically, yes. RSS is how podcasts are distributed, and why any podcast app can play any podcast. However, Spotify marketing has bastardized words like "podcast" and "podcasting" by using them to refer to their closed, proprietary platform. That strategy is working brilliantly, and so the future of podcasting is probably proprietary platforms on one side, and bullshit "2.0…

I see the future of podcasting with a much brighter future than proprietary. Talk to the developers behind Podcasting 2.0 and see if they can change your mind; https://podcastindex.social/about

Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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> TLDR: Apple rules mandate a cumbersome Audiobooks purchasing process

This is very much a lie. Apple’s way is the easy way - use IAP. And it seems that like with facebook [1] they’re trying to apply the rules evenly to everybody. Spotify religiously denies using Apple’s In App Payments. The attempt to send emails on how to purchase audiobooks is their sneaky way of bypassing the rules. They now to try to blame the process they came up with themselves on Apple. But Spotify is to blame, for not following rules of App Store which demand IAP for “digital goods and services”.

However you feel about IAP if spotify has the courage it should challenge in court (like Epic) instead of a website that makes a very bad biased take on the situation.

And we know Apple is not going to respond publicly.

[1] Story about Facebook boosts being forced to IAP a few days ago

Re: Audiobooks on Spotify

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Does anyone else take issue with Spotify branching out into other arenas (e.g., Podcasts, TV, Audiobooks, etc.)? I'm honestly kinda tired of all of these services trying to gobble up any slightly related industry. I subscribe to Spotify to listen to music, not podcasts. My podcasts arrive using a different app with the backing of the RSS standard, not Spotify's internal standard. I don't want to get a subscription co…

Spotify is a horrible podcast player. The audio engine doesn't have nuanced speed control or remove silence like other dedicated podcast apps. I also find the podcast UI is terrible for managing shows and play list. And then there's the bugs that don't get fixed for a long time. Last year they had one where every time a podcast was interrupted by a notification or something it would start over from the start. Lastly…

Spotify isn’t even a good music player…
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