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I like it
Well, that's okay. But lots of people don't and I've never seen anyone using it. I've seen Unity, XFCE, i3, and KDE, but no GNOME.
Look harder.
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#62I love Gnome, they piss some people off by making radical choices, but slowly they keep iterating and coming up with something nice over a long term. They have a vision and stick to it for years. I'm happy they don't just feel offended by posts like yours and act like short term pleasers. It's foss, you can fork it, you can use KDE. you can switch to Windows if you want. That's what free as in freedom is. Personally…
It's not that easy, you will be tied to GNOME just by fact this or that app (for which there might not be replacement) picked GTK for its interface, so you have to at least go thru configuring it to look the same as the rest of your desktop. No matter which DE you chose you will be under GNOME's malady of design decisions. > They have a vision and stick to it for years. I'm happy they don't just feel offended by post…
> Honestly GNOME is there because of inertia more than quality of the changes.
I have heard this explanation before for why GNOME is so popular despite the fact that so many people vocally dislike it. It's certainly possible, but I find it implausible.
For one thing, this would imply that we see a slow downward trend in GNOME usage which does not seem to be the case. For another thing, Linux users in particular seem less likely than most to just "go with what everyone else uses" since that would mean not using Linux in the first place. Finally, it doesn't seem like Linux desktop environments have enough of a moat to create serious inertia, at least not compared to things like mobile operating systems. Programs written for one Linux desktop environments typically work with only minor aesthetic issues in others, so that should not be a major impediment to distro-hopping.
I think it's worth considering an alternative hypothesis, that many people have evaluated multiple options and legitimately prefer GNOME to the alternatives on intrinsic merits such as design, stability, extensions, etc. I would also find it plausible that some of its popularity is due to many popular distributions choosing it as their default, but then the question is why those distributions do so, and again the most plausible explanation to me is that they are making the decision for pragmatic rather than legacy reasons.
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Not your point. We're not mythical creatures. We exist.
this doesn't need to be a crips and bloods thing. some day you'll assimilate. everyone has their own timeline.
I'm not sure what you mean by this comment to be honest! But I've been using Linux for the past 15 years, with a detour to OS X for a while cause all the DEs/WMs sucked in the KDE4/early GNOME 3 era.
Modern GNOME 3 is finally a good UX on Linux.
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You know that that is (your/an) opinion, right? I think it is not at all "generally agreed". It wouldn't be the default on most major distros if it did. And even if it was, why would you care even?
Inertia and being "good enough" is massive factor. Average user don't give a shit frankly
It is certainly possible that GNOME is only popular because of legacy inertia, and that it will eventually be surpassed by other desktop environments as, by definition, inertia doesn't last forever.
But it's worth acknowledging that it's also possible that a large number of people simply disagree with you and actively choose it on its own merits.
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this doesn't need to be a crips and bloods thing. some day you'll assimilate. everyone has their own timeline.
I'm not sure what you mean by this comment to be honest! But I've been using Linux for the past 15 years, with a detour to OS X for a while cause all the DEs/WMs sucked in the KDE4/early GNOME 3 era. Modern GNOME 3 is finally a good UX on Linux.
Try as you may but you're not going to get me to crack, my friend. I've been on Linux since the mid nineties. Things were much better for us before i-things rose to prominence, UI wise. I still love you as a fellow nerd and human, however, I do have some wishes that your laptop be smote, if only just to give you enough reprieve to notice the err of your ways.
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I also like it. plenty of the guys I collaborate with do too. what data are you going from?
Does the file picker show thumbnails yet?
No, but hopefully that issue is resolved soon: https://feaneron.com/2022/10/21/the-death-of-the-meme/
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#67I love Gnome, they piss some people off by making radical choices, but slowly they keep iterating and coming up with something nice over a long term. They have a vision and stick to it for years. I'm happy they don't just feel offended by posts like yours and act like short term pleasers. It's foss, you can fork it, you can use KDE. you can switch to Windows if you want. That's what free as in freedom is. Personally…
> It's foss, you can fork it
And people did, twice! Some distros are offered in two main variants: a fork of Gnome 2, and a fork of Gnome 3. I believe this should give Gnome developers some food for thought.
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> they piss some people off by making radical choices No, people are not pissed off by the radicality of the choices. Stop taking people for uneducated jokers. People are pissed off because they understand the choices and do not agree with them or what they imply. Gamification, pushing apps and app stores, using the same disempowering concepts as mobile plateforms, changing design every so often for no good reason, f…
The main reason I'm not using Linux at home is exactly updates - I don't want to be bothered for hours figuring out arcane error messages for each and every round of updates. When a distribution will be able to handle updates like the mobile platforms I will reconsider, and until then I'll handle this hassle only at work where I'm paid for it.
> I don't want to be bothered for hours figuring out arcane error messages for each and every round of updates
That's not really a thing if you're on a stable distribution. That's the entire point with going with distributions that do periodic releases rather than rolling releases - you benefit from testing others have done before you.
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#69I love Gnome, they piss some people off by making radical choices, but slowly they keep iterating and coming up with something nice over a long term. They have a vision and stick to it for years. I'm happy they don't just feel offended by posts like yours and act like short term pleasers. It's foss, you can fork it, you can use KDE. you can switch to Windows if you want. That's what free as in freedom is. Personally…
Count the number of GNOME forks and the number of KDE forks , then also consider the reason of those forks. Something happen with GNOME3, something that spliting one big community in more smaller ones, I am not sure if the "vision" is good if the first step is to kick out a big chunk of the community that do not agree 100% with your vision and half of your left community is screwing your vision with their unsupported…
I'm not convinced that the mere presence of forks is necessarily evidence of poor decisions. It's been eleven years since MATE and Cinnamon were forked from GNOME and they all seem to be relatively healthy projects.
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The main reason I'm not using Linux at home is exactly updates - I don't want to be bothered for hours figuring out arcane error messages for each and every round of updates. When a distribution will be able to handle updates like the mobile platforms I will reconsider, and until then I'll handle this hassle only at work where I'm paid for it.
> I don't want to be bothered for hours figuring out arcane error messages for each and every round of updates That's not really a thing if you're on a stable distribution. That's the entire point with going with distributions that do periodic releases rather than rolling releases - you benefit from testing others have done before you.
This is why my main machine is always on an Ubuntu LTS (although I use kde and not gnome); some more experimental server stuff I put on Arch and honestly even Arch really hasn't made dig around for hours in probably over a year. Ubuntu just keeps on ticking as long as you don't have hardware issues, and I build my machines around Linux, so that's not generally an issue.