Normalising Layoffs/Firing

Post by aurantia » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 8:18 AM UTC

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #171

zeruch wrote: post #4

"We have normalised firing of people." We spent decades in the US smashing unions, smashing pensions (replacing them with more volatile instruments like 401Ks) and made at-will employment dangerous for both sides of the equation. Firing has been trivialized for decades. This is not new, and the current wave is minuscule compared to 2008, 2000, and previous. The worst is yet to come.

When I started working in Europe, one of the most shocking this I learned was that you basically can't be fired under a normal work contract. I mean in theory you can, e.g. with group layoffs, gross negligence and so on, but it's illegal to fire person A and hire person B to do their job. You have to basically dissolve the job the person A was doing and when you hire the person B, they must not be doing what the laid…

Post by fredestine » Thu, Oct 27, 2022, 12:19 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #167

fredestine wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

europe is the worst of both worlds. there isnt really protection. and as the years go by it gets worse as our governments vote new law to reduce our protections. let me give you the example of france. when we join a company we can be fired during the first six months with very little real reason. when we want to leave the company we need to give a 3month notice (think about how happy is the new company knowing youll…

It's up to 6 months (3+3 actually, max is 4) for the probationary period, and the notice is up to 3 months. You're also missing that nobody is forcing you to quit to start looking for a new job, the protection is mostly that if the company wants to get rid of you they need to give you at least the same length of notice, giving you extra time on top of the unemployment to find something. Furthermore, in the US model,…