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Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by jraph »

cfhhgtyg wrote: post #125
jraph wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Matrix homeservers had access to way more metadata than Signal. Is it better than what I thought?

What does it matter to additionally leak relationships between nessages, such as deletes or replies? Most important is who when with who which both leak to the server operators

Not at all like Signal. They only have your account creation time and your last connection time

https://signal.org/blog/looking-back-as-the-world-moves-forw...

(edit: answering to your initial message, that said that Signal operators also have access to the same metadata, but I guess my comment still answers your sentence "Most important is who when with who which both leak to the server operators" - Signal operators have showed they can't provide this information)

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by LAC-Tech »

junon wrote: post #121
stevewatson301 wrote: post #102

Whenever India and its authoritarian stances are mentioned, a number of folks (I presume Indians, both on HN and elsewhere) come out of the woodwork to sing praises of "national security" while saying nothing about how such power can be abused. It is truly sad to see that an entire populace can't see the perils of a government with broad-reaching powers, when government institutions jailing the opposition, censoring…

It's propaganda. It's the same reason why a large portion of Indians (even with full internet access...) are fervently pro-Putin in the context of the Ukraine-Russia war.

Saying that people who disagree with you do so because of propaganda isn't a helpful way of looking at the world.

EDIT: Just saw the company I am keeping. This is not a pro-war comment.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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stevewatson301 wrote: post #102

Whenever India and its authoritarian stances are mentioned, a number of folks (I presume Indians, both on HN and elsewhere) come out of the woodwork to sing praises of "national security" while saying nothing about how such power can be abused. It is truly sad to see that an entire populace can't see the perils of a government with broad-reaching powers, when government institutions jailing the opposition, censoring…

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Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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mlatu wrote: post #129

fucking lying is what they do! how come, if they do not share data with third parties, that a "breakin" at TWILIO would have any consequence on signal? the app store claims data is not shared with 3rd parties, yet they use twilio to "verify phonenumbers" how about verifing them yourself? to expensive...? so twilio does it for free for you? what the fishy fuck is going on here? sure they do mention verifying the numbe…

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Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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2-718-281-828 wrote: post #120

Here's one major problem with Signal - you cannot delete contacts. Following scenario: 1) X communicates with Y using Signal trying to hide from Iranian police 2) Y is getting arrested and who ever is found to have his phone number is getting in to trouble as well 3) X deletes Y from its contacts 4) Y stays in X's contacts on Signal no matter what now what should X do? delete Signal? theoretically the police could re…

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Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by cfhhgtyg »

rakoo wrote: post #100
fsflover wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To whom? AFAIK if you self-host, no data is leaked.

If you and everyone you talk to are hosted on servers you trust, down to the physical provider, yes. EDIT: if the person you're talking to is hosted on Google, Google has all the metadata. Even if one person is hosted on Google and is part of a room you're in, Google has all the metadata in that room. In 2022 e2ee is the standard for messages but not metadata, and unfortunately Matrix doesn't tackle it, so no, you ca…

Signal is hosted on Amazon

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by miroljub »

junon wrote: post #121
stevewatson301 wrote: post #102

Whenever India and its authoritarian stances are mentioned, a number of folks (I presume Indians, both on HN and elsewhere) come out of the woodwork to sing praises of "national security" while saying nothing about how such power can be abused. It is truly sad to see that an entire populace can't see the perils of a government with broad-reaching powers, when government institutions jailing the opposition, censoring…

It's propaganda. It's the same reason why a large portion of Indians (even with full internet access...) are fervently pro-Putin in the context of the Ukraine-Russia war.

I'm not an Indian, but I can understand why a country that was oppressed by the Great Britain for such a long time, and endured such atrocities, can opt to support the party that stands on the opposite side of Britain.

That alone could explain why not only India, but big parts of the worlds, especially the ones that suffered from the British and American imperialism, would rather see an arch-enemy of their usurper win against oppressors puppet state.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by pvg »

stevewatson301 wrote: post #102

Whenever India and its authoritarian stances are mentioned, a number of folks (I presume Indians, both on HN and elsewhere) come out of the woodwork to sing praises of "national security" while saying nothing about how such power can be abused. It is truly sad to see that an entire populace can't see the perils of a government with broad-reaching powers, when government institutions jailing the opposition, censoring…

Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by pelario »

jb_007 wrote: post #77

A noob question, how does signal know/prevent use of its app for illegal/criminal activities? Larger question here would be - Do governments and security agencies need to keep a tab on social media to check for illegal activities

What about phone companies ?

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by cfhhgtyg »

jraph wrote: post #131
cfhhgtyg wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it matter to additionally leak relationships between nessages, such as deletes or replies? Most important is who when with who which both leak to the server operators

Not at all like Signal. They only have your account creation time and your last connection time https://signal.org/blog/looking-back-as-the-world-moves-forw... (edit: answering to your initial message, that said that Signal operators also have access to the same metadata, but I guess my comment still answers your sentence "Most important is who when with who which both leak to the server operators" - Signal operators…

If you don't store that data or delete it, you can't provide it.

But Signal could store that data because they have access to that dats

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