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Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

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Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

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The EU cookie legislation was a mistake made by tech-illiterate bureaucrats that ruined the Web to a large degree. It's something that could've been built in to the browser. I have a hard time understanding why one would dedicate their time to this.

The ePrivacy Directive originally included this, but was watered down after lobbying from ad vendors based on my understanding.

Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

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post #4

The EU cookie legislation was a mistake made by tech-illiterate bureaucrats that ruined the Web to a large degree. It's something that could've been built in to the browser. I have a hard time understanding why one would dedicate their time to this.

Because otherwise a business would be violating a law if they serve European customers?

The post you’re replying to mentions many reasons why that law is ill considered.

Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

#13

I've set my browser to delete cookies at close. You can accept all cookies without problem, and after lunch everything is forgotten. A few websites that I go to often get special treatment (Hacker News!), because I'm to lazy to press ok each time.

Cookie Autodelete is the plugin for that :)

Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

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I've set my browser to delete cookies at close. You can accept all cookies without problem, and after lunch everything is forgotten. A few websites that I go to often get special treatment (Hacker News!), because I'm to lazy to press ok each time.

That's not the same.

This forces you to close the browser regularly and they can still track you while your browsing session.

Your approach doesn't say no, it's a yes with expiration date.

Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

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post #4

The EU cookie legislation was a mistake made by tech-illiterate bureaucrats that ruined the Web to a large degree. It's something that could've been built in to the browser. I have a hard time understanding why one would dedicate their time to this.

You are confusing the law with the intentionally bad implementation.

And it was implemented in the browser as Do Not Track but websites ignored it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track

Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

#16

I've set my browser to delete cookies at close. You can accept all cookies without problem, and after lunch everything is forgotten. A few websites that I go to often get special treatment (Hacker News!), because I'm to lazy to press ok each time.

This is not just about cookies. When you accept tracking, you accept all kinds of it, including those that are not deleted on browser closing.

Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

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The button is more prominent, yes. And it's still useless.

Most tracking now comes from the "legitimate interest" purposes that you need to actively object to, which is buried in a tertiary hidden panel or not available at all, or even forces you to object to several dozens of trackers one by one.

Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

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post #4

The EU cookie legislation was a mistake made by tech-illiterate bureaucrats that ruined the Web to a large degree. It's something that could've been built in to the browser. I have a hard time understanding why one would dedicate their time to this.

100%

I think the underlying reason is that most people don’t consider trade-offs.

“Yes, great let’s do the cookie banner thing. But before, let’s also consider how this could be a bad idea?”

“Yes, great let’s ban plastic straws. But also let’s consider what we get instead and if that alternative is really better.”

These conversations rarely take place in my experience. You can still decide to do it, but at least you are aware of the consequences and are able to communicate them properly to the public, to your employees etc

Re: Where did all the “reject” buttons come from?

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post #4

The EU cookie legislation was a mistake made by tech-illiterate bureaucrats that ruined the Web to a large degree. It's something that could've been built in to the browser. I have a hard time understanding why one would dedicate their time to this.

The law was lacking in enforcement mostly. Sure, it could have been better. But if it had been as technically specific as enforcing a browser standard, then it might have been worse or less effective. After all, lawmakers are tech-illiterate.
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