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Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by antikneejerk »

dagmx wrote: post #36
antikneejerk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the linked source. Could not find any reference to any Indian law or Govt. order. Can you please point me to any source with credible information on the supposed provisions which are causing Signal to "exit" India.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/govt-proposes-law-...

Thanks. Again this article does not link to the supposed draft bill, and what it actually says. They directly jump to saying government wants to "intercept". How does the Govt propose to intercept? What was actually proposed in the bill? They also say the Govt. is seeking public feedback on the draft. Ideally this news source should link to the draft in question so that people can read, and raise their objections.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by hummerbliss »

antikneejerk wrote: post #35
willi59549879 wrote: post #22

India wants to read everything? Why don't they just forbid the use of https. So that everyone can read everything on the internet

I read the linked source. Could not find any reference to any Indian law or Govt. order. Can you please point me to any source with credible information on the supposed provisions which are causing Signal to "exit" India.

Its was a proposed law (to solicit feedback). Signal is not exiting but would exit if such law comes to India.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/govt-proposes-law-...

But Telecom Authority of India rules out any immediate intervention.

https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/trai-rules-out-reg...

I couldn't quote from the article here but looks like they are going to wait till clarity emerges from International jurisdiction.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by beebmam »

UberFly wrote: post #11

Requiring handing over encryption keys as a requirement to do business there sounds like a good way to sanction yourself from the modern world.

Isn't this what Bill Barr and the Trump administration wanted, too?

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-general-wi...

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by antikneejerk »

hummerbliss wrote: post #52
antikneejerk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the linked source. Could not find any reference to any Indian law or Govt. order. Can you please point me to any source with credible information on the supposed provisions which are causing Signal to "exit" India.

Its was a proposed law (to solicit feedback). Signal is not exiting but would exit if such law comes to India. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/govt-proposes-law-... But Telecom Authority of India rules out any immediate intervention. https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/trai-rules-out-reg... I couldn't quote from the article here but looks like they are going to wait till clarity emerges from Internati…

I am looking for that proposed law to understand the provisions. Can you please give me a link to that if it is available.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by jpgvm »

baka367 wrote: post #44

Is it me or India is becoming the next China?

People really have warped perceptions of different Asian nations. As someone that has been a resident of most of them they are mostly all like China... which shouldn't be surprising there is a lot of shared cultural history in the region and by and large they are more collectivist societies.

Some are obviously worse (looking at you Myanmar) but most are various shades of authoritarian (Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, etc) and most have heavy censorship (yeah the same culprits again).

This shouldn't surprise anyone and yet it always seems to.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by wiseowise »

ls15 wrote: post #26
wiseowise wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy. Make everyone think that you have to hide something or create a fake stories that pedos use app X. > if you have nothing to hide, why don’t you show it? Is also “nice” rhetoric that laymen agree with.

I'd assume that India has its fair share of smart people who are able to spot fallacious rhetorics and want to see the bank accounts of officials in return.

Smart people don’t dictate things, majority does.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by hummerbliss »

hummerbliss wrote: post #52
antikneejerk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the linked source. Could not find any reference to any Indian law or Govt. order. Can you please point me to any source with credible information on the supposed provisions which are causing Signal to "exit" India.

Its was a proposed law (to solicit feedback). Signal is not exiting but would exit if such law comes to India. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/govt-proposes-law-... But Telecom Authority of India rules out any immediate intervention. https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/trai-rules-out-reg... I couldn't quote from the article here but looks like they are going to wait till clarity emerges from Internati…

Proposed law draft (I hate that news outlets do not link to the law they discuss) https://dot.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft%20Indian%20Tele...

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by senectus1 »

beebmam wrote: post #53
UberFly wrote: post #11

Requiring handing over encryption keys as a requirement to do business there sounds like a good way to sanction yourself from the modern world.

Isn't this what Bill Barr and the Trump administration wanted, too? https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-general-wi...

Every time a new Gov gets in it feels like they roll this crap out.

Those in the top of the power tree really seem to dislike the idea that anyone not them can keep secrets from them.

Its exhausting as it never seems to be a well thought out, technically or philosophically sound argument.

Are we doomed to never have technically competent leadership?

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by jraph »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #10
a-user-you-like wrote: post #8

Is there anything more secure than signal that is widely used? Maybe something that doesn’t leak metadata or require a phone number?

matrix

I thought Matrix homeservers had access to way more metadata than Signal. Is it better than what I thought?
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