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The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Organized violent crime is mostly gang wars so ordinary people aren't directly affected. Although you could have bad luck and be mistaken for one of these gang members I guess.

I don't agree. I was in the Netherlands when there were gang wars in Amsterdam and these guys don't care about collateral damage at all. One time they shot up a tram full of people during some gang fight.

What does the situation in the Netherlands have to do with Sweden?

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Organized violent crime is mostly gang wars so ordinary people aren't directly affected. Although you could have bad luck and be mistaken for one of these gang members I guess.

Not true, identity theft is common in Sweden, many regular Svensson are suffering from frauds and even burglaries because of these policies.

Identity theft is not a violent crime.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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One of the "pranks" we play on expats moving to Sweden is to look them up on hitta.se, take a screenshot and send it back to them saying "this you?". They always freak out and with reason, these sites contain an obscene amount of personal information about you. Some of them even give you people's salary history, which is slightly harder to obtain but also totally legal. The weirdest thing I thought is that most Swede…

Do you get a lot of scam calls? In the US this is a problem, I think most of the calls just use telephony software to automate and brute force every possible number. They spoof the originating phone number but they 99.9% likelihood are coming from another country with call centers like India or the Philippines. If you can access every Swedish citizen's data, this could be attractive for scammers especially if you wan…

> Do you get a lot of scam calls? In the US this is a problem

The US is also a large and attractive target, because the population is large and the setup costs of a phone scam can be amortized across a massive group. Remember that scamming is a numbers game - they have to hit massive numbers of targets in order for it to pay off, because the probability of success is so low at each stage.

Phone numbers within the US are compatible - there's no longer any meaningful difference between calling someone in Maine or Alaska - and it's easy to spoof area codes across state lines. So a scam that works in one state in the US can effectively be run in all 50 states with ~no change.

Sweden is a country only slightly larger than New York City, and an effective scam would likely have to be run in Swedish (a language not spoken widely outside Sweden, and therefore not transposable to another scam) and it's trickier to spoof numbers across country lines convincingly (even within the EU) than it is across state lines in the US.

This pattern plays out in a lot of ways, not just for Sweden. In general, smaller countries that speak languages not widely popular outside their home country will be less attractive targets (both for scams and for legitimate business) than countries which have a large potential market (target) size.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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for what its worth im in America (where crime is way way higher) and i don't consider that normal. probably a cultural thing.

Interesting Can someone enter your house without using any force or tools?

i guess? i find most people knock like normal though. i have a good few guns though so i'm fully capable of defending myself. i never figured a residential grade lock was much good against someone anyway and if i'm right there it's not like someone can sneak in. i might be more worried if i was a small guy or a woman but i've never had a problem.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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The sheer number of people. 7% of all humans who have ever lived are alive today.

And the only human you can truly trust after all is a dead one.

So I can trust 93% of all humans who have ever lived – impressive!

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Do you get a lot of scam calls? In the US this is a problem, I think most of the calls just use telephony software to automate and brute force every possible number. They spoof the originating phone number but they 99.9% likelihood are coming from another country with call centers like India or the Philippines. If you can access every Swedish citizen's data, this could be attractive for scammers especially if you wan…

> Do you get a lot of scam calls? In the US this is a problem The US is also a large and attractive target, because the population is large and the setup costs of a phone scam can be amortized across a massive group. Remember that scamming is a numbers game - they have to hit massive numbers of targets in order for it to pay off, because the probability of success is so low at each stage. Phone numbers within the US…

I was under the impression that most robo dialer's calls originated offshore with spoofed numbers that appear to be within your area code. It's possibly not though, like if someone is taking advantage of targeting a specific carrier's numbers from outside their network but I don't know. That might require the carrier to forward the calls. There are other exceptions for robo calls the callers could be using for themselves.

If the robodialers are actually doing this inside of the US we could probably find who these people are. I imagine the majority of calls are made by a few scaled up calling operations. That's what previous arrests for this suggest. Although the technology is catching up and I have been getting fewer calls.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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"This system was built and created for a different time where criminality was pretty much absent in Sweden" When was this golden age of (almost) no crime, I wonder?

Maybe 35-40 years ago. My grandmother never locked her door when she was at home, for example, even in 2020, because she'd lived so long in society as it was that she literally couldn't believe that it could end up as it had; and this wasn't due to stupidity. It was actually safe and normal once.

We never lock our door in Canada now

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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> Do you get a lot of scam calls? In the US this is a problem The US is also a large and attractive target, because the population is large and the setup costs of a phone scam can be amortized across a massive group. Remember that scamming is a numbers game - they have to hit massive numbers of targets in order for it to pay off, because the probability of success is so low at each stage. Phone numbers within the US…

I was under the impression that most robo dialer's calls originated offshore with spoofed numbers that appear to be within your area code. It's possibly not though, like if someone is taking advantage of targeting a specific carrier's numbers from outside their network but I don't know. That might require the carrier to forward the calls. There are other exceptions for robo calls the callers could be using for themse…

> I was under the impression that most robo dialer's calls originated offshore with spoofed numbers that appear to be within your area code. It's possibly not though, like if someone is taking advantage of targeting a specific carrier's numbers from outside their network but I don't know.

Maybe this wasn't clear in my previous comment: the calls often originate from outside the country, yes, but the calls are spoofing US numbers, so there's no way for the recipient to know that the call is from another country. And the calls often try to match the local area code of the recipient.

The point is that the scam scales very easily: if you can do it to any person in one state, you can do it to every person in every state (because calling all US phone numbers is essentially equivalent, and spoofing all states is equivalently easy).

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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I was under the impression that most robo dialer's calls originated offshore with spoofed numbers that appear to be within your area code. It's possibly not though, like if someone is taking advantage of targeting a specific carrier's numbers from outside their network but I don't know. That might require the carrier to forward the calls. There are other exceptions for robo calls the callers could be using for themse…

> I was under the impression that most robo dialer's calls originated offshore with spoofed numbers that appear to be within your area code. It's possibly not though, like if someone is taking advantage of targeting a specific carrier's numbers from outside their network but I don't know. Maybe this wasn't clear in my previous comment: the calls often originate from outside the country, yes, but the calls are spoofin…

ya, that's what I have seen. I can't prove they originate from outside the country but I suspect it.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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I don't understand how you don't revolt against this to be honest. And in terms of 'safe', didn't the extreme right just win big because the mainstream parties totally ignore the uptick in organized violent crime? At least that's what they said in the news here, perhaps it's not fully accurate. I understand state agencies might want to see personal data, though I often don't agree. Having it available for anyone to s…

Based on my observations from having Swedish friends and spending time in Sweden, a lot of the rise of the extreme right there can be directly attributed to the tensions resulting from the Syrian refugee crisis. The last time I was in Sweden, ordinary folks were expressing ideas like "well maybe not everyone deserves free healthcare". Like many western nations, economic opportunities and quality of social services is…

>Like many western nations, economic opportunities and quality of social services is dipping. Standard practice for right wing parties to blame immigrants (or refugees, etc.).

Increasing the importation of poor immigrants that are dependent on economic assistance and social services by definition reduces the economic opportunity and availability of social services for the already poor residents who are dependent on these services. Those who insist on rejecting this piece of objective reality because it doesn't jive with their political and/or cultural agenda create a vacuum for the "right wing" to be the only ones voicing the legitimate concerns people have about mass immigration.

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