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Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by dosshell »

drakonka wrote: post #164
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #108

One upside of everyone's name, date of birth, address and personal ID number being public knowledge in Sweden is that organisations don't treat knowing any of those as proof of your identity. It's absurd how that's not the case in other places.

Technically your personal ID is not public knowledge. The first eight digits are, which contain your birth date. The last four digits are always obfuscated. In reality, it is common to provide your personnummer verbally in non-private settings so if someone within earshot had some interest in remembering your ID they could. Edit: The above might not be entirely accurate, check out the thread below. Some of these look…

Do you have a source for this?

There are several sites (upplysning.se for example) that show full length of the personal ID. How does that work if it is not public information?

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by jwond »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #132
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Sweden is/was a very high trust society. People knew their fellow Swedes, many times with family links going back generations. There are a lot of things you can do in a high trust society, that do not work in a society without that level of trust - for example, generous welfare benefits where you trust your neighbors not to exploit the system.

What has, in your opinion, contributed to an overall loss of trust in societies where it once was higher?

Some studies have found a negative relationship between ethnic diversity and social trust [1], but it is difficult to have discussions about this since it is such a sensitive topic. And of course it is not the only factor.

[1] https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&h...

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by wincy »

playingalong wrote: post #151
collegeburner wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for what its worth im in America (where crime is way way higher) and i don't consider that normal. probably a cultural thing.

Interesting Can someone enter your house without using any force or tools?

I went into my uncle’s unlocked house and found myself staring down the barrel of his roommate’s gun. People don’t tend to go into occupied houses in the US as there is a very real risk of getting shot.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by Symbiote »

bhelkey wrote: post #188
ClassyJacket wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swatting doesn't work in any other country than America because in any other country than America, the police won't immediately murder someone based on a phone call.

> Swatting doesn't work in any other country than America because in any other country than America A Twitch streamer was swatted in the UK [1]. [1] https://www.shacknews.com/article/131816/twitch-streamer-kef...

That's London in Canada.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by brtkdotse »

yrgulation wrote: post #27

I knew a software engineer who used to live in sweden. One day he had a payraise. Out of the blue his landlord raised his rent. Apparently she somehow found out about his payraise and now i know how. She even told him that she knows he can afford more. He left sweden for this reason and racism. Before you believe all them nice stories about scandinavia, be sure to talk to people that lived in any of those countries a…

Yeah, this didn’t happen, or at least not in the way implied by parent.

Only way to get salary info is to count backwards from the tax records, which are made public after the coming May.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by drakonka »

dosshell wrote: post #191
drakonka wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically your personal ID is not public knowledge. The first eight digits are, which contain your birth date. The last four digits are always obfuscated. In reality, it is common to provide your personnummer verbally in non-private settings so if someone within earshot had some interest in remembering your ID they could. Edit: The above might not be entirely accurate, check out the thread below. Some of these look…

Do you have a source for this? There are several sites (upplysning.se for example) that show full length of the personal ID. How does that work if it is not public information?

When I search for any name on that website, I see numbers as follows: "YYYYMMDD-XXXX" (with the "XXXX" parts being obfuscated). Do you mean it shows the full ID if you sign up for their service? I would be surprised if so, but have never tried that before so I suppose it's possible (that's also generally how these services provide tax information - behind a registration and usually paywall, even though you can request it for free from the tax office yourself as well).

Edit: I think you may be right and that registration and possibly payment could reveal the whole personnummer: https://www.imy.se/privatperson/dataskydd/introduktion-till-...

TIL!

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by ghusbands »

bhelkey wrote: post #188
ClassyJacket wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swatting doesn't work in any other country than America because in any other country than America, the police won't immediately murder someone based on a phone call.

> Swatting doesn't work in any other country than America because in any other country than America A Twitch streamer was swatted in the UK [1]. [1] https://www.shacknews.com/article/131816/twitch-streamer-kef...

> A Twitch streamer was swatted in the UK

It says "Canadian" in the headline and throughout the article. Still a country other than America, but not the UK.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by MichaelCollins »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #109
joshspankit wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> public since quite a while... I think this is an interesting point. If you were to suddenly flip a switch and have all US data exposed the same way, I think there would be chaos and maybe even violence. But I think that speaks more negatively to the current state of America than it does the idea of having information be public.

Can you describe why it will create violence? I could maybe understand that it could makes employment harder for some group or something, but how does it lead to violence.

Response to a deleted comment:

> Extralegal punishments like "cancelling", doxxing, and indirectly inciting violence on your political adversaries is becoming more common.

> And when that happens, it's understandable why the target above would want to get the person back with their own (possibly kinetic) extralegal punishment, if they can't take it through the court system, which is what already happens for people like drug dealers (they can't go through court system to fix bad deals).

> You also just have crazy people. "Talk shit, get hit" etc.

You're absolutely right. Vigilantism is a serious problem, and dressing it up as political activism is becoming increasingly common. You can't even avoid this by simply believing and saying the "correct" things because half the country is going to disagree with you regardless. In such an environment, anonymity is the best defense. Either you blend in with the crowd and never say anything interesting, hope that nobody ever singles you out for retaliation, or you cloak yourself in anonymity and speak your mind. The latter is something of an American tradition, born in a time of revolutionary strife when being on the wrong side could get you dead, imprisoned, or chased out of the country.

Aside: don't take downvotes so seriously. Sometimes good comments get hit with a lot of downvotes at first but get upvoted again later. Also they don't matter, the 'karma' is imaginary internet points and you can't buy anything with them. Ignore downvotes and speak your mind.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by club_tropical »

psychlops wrote: post #184
adamrezich wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we used to live in a significantly higher-trust society

I wouldn't say that so much as people had to physically go somewhere to use the stolen information. The possible damage was local and limited.

No, this assumes all people have the same baseline tendency to abuse trust and commit fraud. You would then expect the remote scammers of, say, Maine pensioners to be from Alabama or Germany with the same rate (adjusted for population size) as from India, China, etc. This is not the case; your risk not equally distributed among all remote locations.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Post by impossiblefork »

playingalong wrote: post #151
collegeburner wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for what its worth im in America (where crime is way way higher) and i don't consider that normal. probably a cultural thing.

Interesting Can someone enter your house without using any force or tools?

Not here in Sweden.

RC2 (resistance class 2) is to resist attacks with hammers, wedges and screwdrivers for three minutes. RC3 is to resist five minutes of crowbar attack RC4 is to resist power tools for 10 minutes

They're often made largely out of steel. I think RC3 is most common, but that RC4 is very rare.

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