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Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Re: Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Post by thfuran »

pengaru wrote: post #37
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blaming individuals in these scenarios is always strange to me, people mostly trust that the items they can purchase won't harm them. It's an immense burden to saddle the consumer with endless research of every product they purchase, on top of their usual time needs from work, commute, family.

> people mostly trust that the items they can purchase won't harm them The state of California has made it abundantly clear that practically everything you can purchase there will harm you.

No, what it has made abundantly clear is that poor incentives produce poor outcomes. There's significant penalty for underlabeling with regard to the known to cause cancer business and no penalty for gratuitous labeling. So every damn thing gets labeled to minimize potential liability and now carcinogenicity is a joke.

Re: Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Post by spookthesunset »

ryanferg wrote: post #6

When I was in undergrad, a Cog Psych professor told me a story about an undergrad who made a poster for a regional research conference of no real consequence about the correlation between diet soda drinking and some recall task. The study and the conference were more about teaching students about research more than actually finding anything. When he and his student showed up to the conference, a representative from a…

> All of that being said, I don't know if there is a substance that we consume that has had more research done on it than artificial sweeteners

MSG? ... MSG is probably a close second...

Re: Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Post by hammock »

abakker wrote: post #19
User23 wrote: post #9

Aspartame and probably all the other artificial sweeteners are small molecules. All small molecules have the potential for drug-like interactions with biological processes. I would expect that in most cases at small doses the body can maintain homeostasis, but caution is still warranted. More generally, It’s a reasonable heuristic to avoid foods that can’t be prepared without industrial chemistry. For example, I can’…

What oils are not derived from seeds? Olive, Avocado, Canola, Safflower, Corn...All of these are seeds. Are you saying that we should not use vegetable oils? Just use butter / lard / tallow? Am I missing something?

Olive oil and avocado oil are not derived from seeds but rather the fruit. And yes the suggestion would be to eat these oils (authentic ones - there is a lot of counterfeit), butter and animal fats.

Re: Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Post by TillE »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #14
ryanferg wrote: post #6

When I was in undergrad, a Cog Psych professor told me a story about an undergrad who made a poster for a regional research conference of no real consequence about the correlation between diet soda drinking and some recall task. The study and the conference were more about teaching students about research more than actually finding anything. When he and his student showed up to the conference, a representative from a…

> If there is an effect, the effect size is small, and I'm not convinced there is anything there. Even if there is, apparently sugar is doing much more damage.

Yeah, that's my main takeaway from the general body of research. Sugar is awful for you in a million well-known ways. Most artificial sweeteners are, at worst, far better for your health. I'm a big fan of erythritol for most purposes.

Re: Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Post by VMG »

abakker wrote: post #19
User23 wrote: post #9

Aspartame and probably all the other artificial sweeteners are small molecules. All small molecules have the potential for drug-like interactions with biological processes. I would expect that in most cases at small doses the body can maintain homeostasis, but caution is still warranted. More generally, It’s a reasonable heuristic to avoid foods that can’t be prepared without industrial chemistry. For example, I can’…

What oils are not derived from seeds? Olive, Avocado, Canola, Safflower, Corn...All of these are seeds. Are you saying that we should not use vegetable oils? Just use butter / lard / tallow? Am I missing something?

he probably is

it's bro science https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7djay/the-newest-bitcoin-di...

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #33
ryanferg wrote: post #6

When I was in undergrad, a Cog Psych professor told me a story about an undergrad who made a poster for a regional research conference of no real consequence about the correlation between diet soda drinking and some recall task. The study and the conference were more about teaching students about research more than actually finding anything. When he and his student showed up to the conference, a representative from a…

Wait, a mysterious man showed up to an impactless meeting to basically embarrass the hell out of an aspiring undergrad research and your immediate reaction wasn't "Oh shit, these people are probably trying to cover something up." Cause that's my immediate reaction, sounds similar to the cigarette industry in the 60s

> "Oh shit, these people are probably trying to cover something up."

Was that also your reaction when Youtube shut down anti-vax videos and videos promoting dangerous Covid "cures"?

Sometimes, even if you know something is false, it is helpful to nip misinformation in the bud.

Re: Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Post by _yb2s »

VMG wrote: post #45
abakker wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What oils are not derived from seeds? Olive, Avocado, Canola, Safflower, Corn...All of these are seeds. Are you saying that we should not use vegetable oils? Just use butter / lard / tallow? Am I missing something?

he probably is it's bro science https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7djay/the-newest-bitcoin-di...

The negative health effects of polyunsaturated seed oils have been well known for a long time, it's not 'bro science' or some recent internet trend. NIH Biochemist William (Bill) Lands has been sharing this information since the early 90s, including a publicity campaign and website from the NIH. Here is an old talk from William Lands on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kivrYNjiXk8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E.M._Lands https://efaeducation.org/

It's also been a major part of the concept of the 'Paleo Diet' ideas starting with Swedish Professor Staffan Lindeberg's nutrition research in the early 90s, and later popularized by Professor Lorden Cordain's Paleo Diet in the early 2000s.

Re: Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Post by _yid9 »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #46
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, a mysterious man showed up to an impactless meeting to basically embarrass the hell out of an aspiring undergrad research and your immediate reaction wasn't "Oh shit, these people are probably trying to cover something up." Cause that's my immediate reaction, sounds similar to the cigarette industry in the 60s

> "Oh shit, these people are probably trying to cover something up." Was that also your reaction when Youtube shut down anti-vax videos and videos promoting dangerous Covid "cures"? Sometimes, even if you know something is false, it is helpful to nip misinformation in the bud.

So, now that it’s been admitted that testing for immunological blocking response (ya know, “immunization”, the thing vaccines used to do) was NOT done by Pfizer, and testing for risk to human reproduction was NOT done at all — are you still glad that everyone shut down debate about risks?

What else do you “know” is false or true, that even those who created the thing are unaware of?

Your position seems to reflect an astonishing level of hubris, to me.

Re: Early-life low-calorie sweetener consumption disrupts memory function in rats

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Post by gnicholas »

LordHeini wrote: post #26

Apart from health issues of sweeteners or sugar. I really hate the taste of every single one of the artificial sweeteners. The aftertaste lingers forever with its weird notes of wet cardboard and a chemical set for schoolchildren (don't ask me how i know). And i always wondered how one could get accustomed this stuff.

I have generally felt this way for decades. But the other day I tried some sugar-free Sees candy, and I have to say I didn't mind it at all. I would definitely consider buying some for myself sometime, and I hope they make more flavors (I tried the dark chocolate with walnuts).
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