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Re: Ask HN: What is a good company for you?

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I'm very... Selfish? I suppose is the way to put it. Beyond what's required, I don't really care about the 'vision'. I'm here to exchange effort for money. As long as it's reasonably in my skill set/responsibility and doesn't require me to push a boundary like kicking puppies, that's the deal of the day I care about how I feel about waking up in the morning more than anything. The people I need to work with should be…

having capable teammates decreases a lot how much effort you need, it's something that I highly recommend

Certainly! I was deliberate with capable too. I don't want us all to know the same things, but I'm teachable and expect it of others

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I think a good work/life balance, a decent salary and benefits (I'm in the U.S. so healthcare is important but not cheap), and maybe a somewhat decent mission...but that mission need not be some granidose vision either. It can be a humble little goal (or sets og goals) that the company wants to achieve. Sure, ideally it would be good for achieving those goals to help hu7manity at large, but that's not essential either if the company isn't "corporate evil". Some might mistake what i have escribed as a sort of lifestyle business, but i actually am ok working for a company if they don't feel that they need to be the next Facebook/Meta, Google, Uber, GE, Johnson & Johnson, Chase bank, etc.

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A company that affords me autonomy in finding satisfaction in my work. By this I mean don’t tell me how to work, tell me what the goals are and let’s collaborate on a solution. I am not interested in attaching my satisfaction to inputs and outputs that I have little control over, if I have no control over them I lose control of my happiness/satisfaction. Finding satisfaction in the company mission is a classic trap for this. I have found this autonomy in both small and large companies, it isn’t only possible at startups.

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My personal top priority is no Jira or other project management software, no standups, no sprints.

Not because these are annoyances in the sense of feeling like I have an Office Space job.

It's because I have a certain psychology of how I work where I thrive and overperform when I feel I have space. I lose engagement and shut down when I feel micro-observed, -managed, -scheduled. I admittedly have a much more sensitive threshold than most people for feeling discomfort from these, and need more space to thrive. But it's who I am. I can't help that it makes a world of difference to my performance and engagement. I've tried to adjust, it doesn't work.

I love my job when it involves the process of fluidly deciding what to do on a given day, balancing fires, deadlines, maintenance, new functionality, ideas I woke up with, etc. And also I'll choose how to communicate rather than fill out rote status reports or go to rote meetings. I enjoy communicating when it's at its natural cadence and level rather than driven by process.

I shut down when I have to represent tasks or resolve them with project management metadata and process.

It's not that slowing down annoys me, it takes away a kind of agency that's necessary for me to have. When I don't have it, my job is a stressful thing that I only do for the paycheck. I can't over perform in that headspace and then it starts a spiral where doing average work makes me feel bad about my career and myself.

I also don't understand how people feel true ownership of systems when their work is carved up in tickets and sprint boundaries. I see so many things falling through the cracks because people do the minimum that Jira tells them to do. Or some common sense important change doesn't get made because it's no one's job to do what needs to be done to keep something working well, only to respond to tickets.

Maybe not everyone can be expected to perform well with full trust of ownership, maybe most can't, but others can only perform well that way. The most important development of my career has been learning my own personal psychology of work.

It's a tragedy that we expect everyone to work and communicate in the same set of processes rather than optimize based on the diversity of individual psychology. And I get that this is high maintenance and not scalable for a huge org. But these days even small companies have the cargo cult behavior of adopting the process they see at large companies.

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In one word: Microsoft They put a PC on every desk, today was a slow day and I used at least a dozen flavors of Microsoft….all of them for free. It’s also important to stress the free part, they don’t pursue piracy and just elect to recoup those losses by charging their Fortune 500 clients a bit more. People will point out to the DOJ proceedings in 2000, but I have no sympathy for paper millionaires who didnt cash ou…

We can't see the alternative world where another company or entity ended up being at the helm of the personal computer revolution. Since you mentioned the winner take all aspect that should orient the way we think about these companies.

Re: Ask HN: What is a good company for you?

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That's an interesting question. I've been meaning to write something about it for ages. Here's a brief: People, vision and ways of working. With time, I've developed my values and principles that makes me practically unemployable if I don't turn a blind eye to some of them. Alternatively, I could start my own company. * Small, empowered, and trully cross-functional team; * Highly collaborative in ensebles; * Unified…

On one hand, values could stand to change to great effect. On the other, these characteristics didn't pop out of nowhere. It's a bit like cryptocurrency today: as some have put it, a 19th century speedrun towards rediscovering the reason why banking regulations exist.

The other distinction is between companies that have this horizontal ethos AND have a profit generating golden goose (Valve, Motion Twin/Evil Empire) and those that adopt the ethos without it. This is where the real test comes in.

Personally, I would take a 32 hour/4 day workweek at full comp over all of these values put together. Except maybe team-set salaries, that would be interesting if also dangerous for some

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Actual transparency, in practice. Unless it's an org focused around an open-source component, it doesn't have to be IMO GitLab's[1] level of radical _public_ transparency, but it should be at least as radical internally.

Even partial transparency was useful when everyone was worked in person, because gaps were easier to mitigate via "you didn't hear this from me, but" statements from immediate managers, or from peers in other teams, or from just the uncomfortable situation of showing up in person and asking about it directly. But working remote-first or -only, then actual, practiced transparency is an absolute requirement for me. (Which sucks, because that's very difficult to suss out from a typical tech interview process.)

I've worked with two remote companies during the pandemic that've struggled with this. It's always listed as a "company value" but sometimes comes with a fundamental misunderstanding where "transparency" is only openness - being willing and wanting to answer any questions when asked, which is also good. But actual transparency is both openness AND having the discipline and process to document everything important - good and bad, erring on the side of oversharing - and share it with everyone _without being asked_.

This requires practice, discipline, common venues and processes, and a blameless culture. It empowers every other thing I also value in a company - transparency doesn't just encourage me to talk about what I need, it requires it, and makes it communal by default. So I might feel uncomfortable being transparent about telling people what I truly, honestly, frankly want and need out of work in terms of work/life balance, pay, advancement, training, joy, space, management, teamwork, and process, but so does _everyone_, and in the end there's far less ambiguity about where I and everyone else and the company all stand on them.

I can stop worrying about the things I don't know about the company because it's all just... there. Less ambiguity means less fear, less friction, less bikeshedding. We know what we have, what we need, and where we're going. Actual internal transparency up and down the organizational ladder flattens it for the important part - the impact that any one person can have on the company - even if it isn't structurally flat for making decisions.

In a mediocre org, a win gets celebrated in a team. In a good org, a win gets celebrated across a department, maybe even by everyone in a special event. In a transparent org, every win gets celebrated by everyone. The same works in reverse - when a team member struggles, at work or in life, everyone can help if everyone knows about it. I learn to shed fears of failure because everyone's failures are on display, and everyone's getting help to solve them, to do better going forward, and everyone shares the responsibility and accountability of doing so.

When false transparency comes without accountability, it never moves toward transparency, which lets things that rot the culture slowly and seemingly mysteriously from within fester, in secrets and silos and forgotten corners of the org. It's painful to have worked at an internally transparent org and then move into an org where different teams are at each others' throats, not because of personal conflicts but because one team has information that the other one needs to work, and they can't get it because of arbitrary obstacles that practiced transparency would eliminate.

It isn't perfect - it's uncomfortable, it's overwhelming, it's incredibly hard to effectively scale to dozens of new people per week as successful startups tend to do when they land some funding. It certainly isn't for everyone, but I also often find that the people who feel the _worst_ about transparent work cultures and practices are people I work the _least well_ with.

[1] https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/values/#transparency

Re: Ask HN: What is a good company for you?

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I'm very... Selfish? I suppose is the way to put it. Beyond what's required, I don't really care about the 'vision'. I'm here to exchange effort for money. As long as it's reasonably in my skill set/responsibility and doesn't require me to push a boundary like kicking puppies, that's the deal of the day I care about how I feel about waking up in the morning more than anything. The people I need to work with should be…

What about just pushing puppies around a little? In other words how far are you willing to push your boundaries in terms of exchanging effort for money?

Re: Ask HN: What is a good company for you?

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post #19

I'm very... Selfish? I suppose is the way to put it. Beyond what's required, I don't really care about the 'vision'. I'm here to exchange effort for money. As long as it's reasonably in my skill set/responsibility and doesn't require me to push a boundary like kicking puppies, that's the deal of the day I care about how I feel about waking up in the morning more than anything. The people I need to work with should be…

What about just pushing puppies around a little? In other words how far are you willing to push your boundaries in terms of exchanging effort for money?

It's tough to say, the most resilient answer is 'it depends'. Playfully pushing, absolutely! Off a cliff? No way

There are some guidelines, I'd like to say I wouldn't break the law... but even that's not very solid.

Say a boss wanted me to J-walk, I'd do that -- but I wouldn't participate in fraud.

Tough to draw firm/lasting lines, it's an ongoing consideration. I use the word 'no' a lot -- it doesn't hurt

edit: One thing that helps with this instead of stopping at 'no' is continuing with, 'instead...'

Elaborating on what I'd prefer to do instead, either for moral/legal/administrative fatigue/whatever reasons

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