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Re: DontBuyDell.com

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I have had 2 motherboards replaced on my work precision 7540 in the last 2.5 years.

It all started by the CPU dying on the first motherboard a few months after first use. After 2-3 hours of back and forward with the support agent and diagnostics (machine was dead dead, blinking orange led indicator), they sent a tech relatively soon (within a week) and replaced the mobo.

A few months go by, a year - throughout this period of time after the first repair, the CPU has been sitting at 99 and thermal throttling like hot shit. Fans screaming all the time, finally I got fed up and launched another ticket. Let me tell you, I wasted a combined whole work day over two days going through diagnostics to no end. Getting messages from support at 2, 3 in the morning with massive delay between WhatsApp messages. Finally I got impatient with them so they sent a tech out (again, within a week).

Tech says temp sensor on the cpu is faulty, changes the board over again. The bloke literally remembers me from last time. TO give credit where credit is due, the tech was a top lad. He tells me that they are a 3rd party hired by Dell - they get penalised if the repair is unsuccessful - while often relying on misleading diagnosis from the first line support teams (chat).

Immediately after the repair I started noticing another issue - when you wake the machine from sleep or launch it after shutdown, without having the DC charged plugged in - CPU is throttled at 1 GHz and the machine takes minutes to even boot. No setting fixes that, I have tried resetting, running live Linux, the same. Once you plug the charger in it springs back to life.

After a few months, today, I get a BIOS warning that the machine can no longer verify the power of the charging adapter - the machine was so slow yesterday that the mouse was lagging on the screen after waking it from sleep.

I really do not like Dell. I will never buy Dell for myself or recommend it to anyone else. Oh and around 40 percent of us at work (we all use Dell laptops for remote work in the better part of the last 3 years) have experienced some sort of hardware failure / issues.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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My company bought me a Dell recently laptop. Some XPS with Linux on it. It took over a month to be shipped, then arrived with the touchpad broken: it failed a BIOS self-diagnostic check, I'm not sure how they ever shipped something like that. They then had a part on backlog for another month (presumably a trackpad?), sent out a tech to come swap it out, who recommended that if it was DOA I should ship it back and they'd swap it out for a new one and I'd have it back in a couple days. Sent it back but surprise surprise they decided to replace the part and it took another month for the part to get to that office. Now it's been with "overnight Fedex" for a week shipping back, allegedly fixed.

It's been over 4 months now since I ordered it. The enterprise support contract is "good" though; there is a guy who emails me every few days updating me on the ETA for the parts, etc. But it seems to just be information, the whole logistics setup is messed up.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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The problem with Dell is you really need to understand their crazy product line, and have leverage to hold them accountable. It’s harder to do apples to apples comparisons to HP or Lenovo.

Their server and laptop hardware is often garbage, so if you need to buy it, structure in SLA penalties so that people get fired when the company screws up. That will incentivize the salespeople to make sure you get the better models. That will cost you money though.

If you are small or don’t have the budget, shop for the better gear or treat them as disposable. The upside of the sprawling product line is that they have product in every possible segment, from HDMI stock thin clients to high end workstations.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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I haven't bought a Dell computer in many years, but I love their monitors. I started with the first 1920x1200 they offered probably fifteen years ago now, and have been through a series of them culminating in the two 27" 4k panels I have on my desk now (P2715Q and P2721Q). In that time I've never had a problem, not even a dead pixel that I've noticed.

I use two P2715Q's as my daily drivers for the past 6 years. They're good. They suffer from some image persistence but it's been forgivable. Some coworkers have got the same display and say they don't have the persistence.

Burn in takes about an hour and it fades after 10-15 min.

Either I notice it more than them, or I got a bad batch. I'm pleased with the purchase despite that.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> old Thinkpad Except older hardware is terrible from a price/performance/power point of view. The minute you actually start to use the computer for something intensive, you'd rather have a more modern, faster, lower power-consumption laptop. It shouldn't be too hard to find 8+ hours of battery life from a typical $700 laptop these days. Add a few more hundreds of dollars to get 12th or 13th gen Intel and/or M1 Macbo…

Laptop quality is wildly all over the place. From 'that thing is a tank' to 'the ink on the keys is coming off, and the trackpad does not work right'. QA is garbage for most of these laptops. They should be fairly dialed in at this point how to make decent ones. But not really. The ergonomics of most is junk. From poor flex on the screen and keyboard, junk keys, touchpads that are too big and impossible to not rest y…

That's always been true though.

There have always been terrible laptops in the market. I generally recommend the following process:

1. Go to a physical store and try out the keyboards / mousepads of the laptops you're interested in. Don't worry about specs yet.

2. Look up the service manual of that model, ensure that you can replace important parts (M.2 Drive and Battery take top priority for me) with relative ease. You can probably do this on your phone after deciding you like a particular keyboard/mouse.

3. Ask the store for the specs (CPU / GPU / RAM / SSD) you want, especially if the SSD is soldered on (though ideally, buy a replaceable M.2 slot). If not available at the store, _MAYBE_ buy online, but in my experience the Retail return model just works far better than RMA to manufacturer. So prefer retail / buying off the shelf.

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Normally, I start to see things worth buying at the $700 point, but with compromises of some kind (poor screen, bad mousepad, etc. etc.). Moving up to the $1000 price point, things are generally better with only one thing that's really terrible that I probably can live with (maybe soldered on SSD, a lower quality screen, or something along those lines).

Moving up to $2000 price point, I get good everything, but price sucks.

I'm pretty confident that I can find a good $700 to $1000 laptop, especially if you give me the freedom to choose a user-replaceable M.2 drive, and give me an hour or so to replace it with a $130 1TB generic drive. It won't have the best specs by modern standards, but it'd beat the pants off of any old Thinkpad from 5+ years ago. Bonus points: I probably was going to do this anyway to wipe out all that terrible crap-ware / bloatware on the laptop. So doing this _AND_ upgrading to 1TB or 2TB is just cake.

But just using the most modern chips (even of a lower-value one, like an Intel i3 or AMD Ryzen) will grossly improve battery life and have all sorts of other advantages. You really don't need to jump for the $2000+ models.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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I have preferred Dell machines almost exclusively for about nine years. Then in this past December my Dell daily driver went blank in the middle of playing a YouTube video, never to boot again. I bought three replacements (Inspiron line) back to back and each one failed in turn within a week. Finally, frustrated beyond all belief I tried an HP. It had less RAM and no number pad, but otherwise has served adequately for nearly a year now. Unfortunately, after sinking $3000 into new computers in less than two weeks I've had to swear off of Dell. They just don't have the quality control I'd previously been accustomed to.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

#217
Most of the comments are anecdotes about experiences with Dell.

Perhaps more of us can chime in with anecdotes about good experiences we had with certain lines/models of laptops that we can recommend?

My recent experiences have been with Lenovo Legion gaming laptops.

One is a bit over 3 years old, the other is coming up on 2 years. My wife and I use them (almost) daily. They get picked up, moved around, run mostly plugged in but with CPU/GPU getting a solid work out as we play games. Other than needing a good wipedown (and mildly decreased battery life), both are indistinguishable from brand new in how they work after 2-3 years.

I did build 23° riser stands for each out of pine, so we often use them on the stands, with a board under the stand, sitting on our laps. This isn't due to heat, but because it raises the screen closer to eye level, decreasing neck strain, and works reasonably well with our arm/wrist angle, reducing wrist strain. Of course, it does open them up quite a bit underneath, so it no doubt does help with cooling as well.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

#218
There's a horrible bug that makes most (if not all) new Dell computers, including some Dell desktops, unusable with screen reading software for the blind.

They install some audio-related bloatware from Waves which really doesn't like something about the way screen readers use the sound card. This is specifically a Dell issue, I've never seen it on a non-Dell device, and it occurs independently of what screen reader you use. The worst part is that, due to how the Windows 10/11 update mechanism works, this issue occurs even if you install a clean Windows image.

The issue causes the size of unpaged (kernel) memory to increase indefinitely, and when the memory consumption gets to over 90%, weird errors start showing up, sometimes the system hangs, sometimes it blue screens, sometimes it behaves as if a USB device was constantly being plugged and then quickly unplugged and so on. One way or another, the device becomes unusable. When trying to determine the source of the memory leak with poolmon, it's attributed to the Windows event logging system, out of all things.

There are workarounds, but they're less than ideal, one requires admin privileges and doesn't work on some models, the other disables the ability to handle headphone-port events, so, when you unplug your headphones, the audio doesn't switch back to the internal speaker.

I've personally started seeing this issue on my laptop around the middle of 2020, but other users report seeing it as early as 2019. It has been reported to Dell multiple times, including by the screen reader developers themselves, and nothing has been done. A couple months ago, a fix has finally been promised, probably to stop the hordes of blind people from complaining, but the issue hasn't actually been fixed yet, and nobody knows if it ever will be.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

#219
How did get to "you should do X because of what an AI summarized from some data" (What data? Collected how? any biases? sensitivity to prompt engineering?).

Re: DontBuyDell.com

#220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Buying Dell's consumer line and having a hard time trying to cash in on the consumer warranty doesn't mean Dell is shit, just means their priorities are elsewhere. This is the whole point of the site: don't buy products from companies whose priorities are elsewhere.

This is same for other manufacturers too. HP: Pavilions are bad, Pro/Elite/Z series are awesome. Servers are good too. Lenovo: Ideapads are eh, Thinkpads and servers, completely different. The only company which builds all their hardware with comparable quality to other manufacturers' pro lines is Apple.

> The only company which builds all their hardware with comparable quality to other manufacturers' pro lines is Apple.

Well, that's not strictly true either. Apple has had a well documented history of building some very poor quality items (amid it's history of generally building very high quality items, to be sure). However, when it does so, it promptly tells the consumer there's nothing wrong, and if there is, it's the consumer's fault for using it wrong.

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