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Safer for people who prefer less violent crime and criminal mischief.
Red areas are poorer and have more crime (and especially more violent crime) than blue areas, almost unconditionally. It's very easy to find stats on this. Crime has been dropping for decades, and cities are safer than ever. Hell, San Francisco is one of the least violent cities in the country.
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No. I moved from the Bay Area to a rural area, we have an entire tent city out in the countryside too. It's just way less visible and people are more understanding of it as the average citizen lives pretty close to that level. Lots of people pay a couple hundred dollars a year to park a 40+ year old camper/trailer on someone's land and can only afford to eat meat that they hunted for. People are SUFFERING and our pol…
But for 10 years in downtown Portland, OR, I have lived in rural towns my entire forty-five years. I have also travelled extensively through rural PNW towns with my schooling and work. This does not at all match my experience.
Rural PNW towns not impacted by insane levels of brown/white? Dude, come on. Mexi's (fentanyl pills) are killing so many people right now. Driving so many young girls prostituting themselves. It is horrible.
You lived in rural America and didn't experience families whose only source of meat was what they hunted? Dude, come on. Or families living in ancient trailer homes/campers?
As for the camps, these places aren't really visible or publicized, I bet plenty of locals don't know about our camp town (or choose not to know). It's way out of town and not near any roads.
Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet
#823Earlier quoted context omitted.
Red areas are poorer and have more crime (and especially more violent crime) than blue areas, almost unconditionally. It's very easy to find stats on this. Crime has been dropping for decades, and cities are safer than ever. Hell, San Francisco is one of the least violent cities in the country.
And yet, https://web.archive.org/web/20221018210946/https://www.sfchr...
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. Crime levels are still at historic lows. There's been a large percentage increase in crime, but when actual numbers are at all-time lows, the percentage increase are always going to be high. There's a media onslaught about crime, which is a nation-wide push from Sinclair broadcasting. Sentiment isn't a usable statistic when sentiment is being purposely biased. It also ignores the fact that SF is still considerably safer than most US cities, especially republican controlled ones.
The sad thing is that Sinclair is not pushing this narrative in some of the most crime ridden cities, so the sentiment in those places is actually higher.
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#825Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet, https://web.archive.org/web/20221018210946/https://www.sfchr...
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. Crime levels are still at historic lows. There's been a large percentage increase in crime, but when actual numbers are at all-time lows, the percentage increase are always going to be high. There's a media onslaught about crime, which is a nation-wide push from Sinclair broadcasting. Sentiment isn't a usable statistic when sentiment is being purposely biased. It also ig…
Maybe crime is at historic lows because it's not being reported because people there think it's hopeless to report it. Maybe they've lost faith in their system. Maybe crime rates are higher in right leaning areas because it's reported and criminals are prosecuted for their crimes.
All speculation, but worth considering nonetheless?
Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet
#826Price doesn’t seem that outrageous to me. Public bathrooms in cities get destroyed and are very difficult to maintain; a lot of cities give up on free restrooms entirely. One of the biggest perks of working downtown in a moderately sized or larger city is being able to go to the bathroom there outside of work hours. I priced out some relatively minor kitchen/bathroom renovation work in 2018 at around $100k. Put it of…
All you're telling me right now is that if I were a contractor, you'd be my favorite client because you don't ask questions. Even in the bay area, those prices are astronomical. You're getting ripped off.
I’m not getting ripped off. I’m not doing the renovations.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. Crime levels are still at historic lows. There's been a large percentage increase in crime, but when actual numbers are at all-time lows, the percentage increase are always going to be high. There's a media onslaught about crime, which is a nation-wide push from Sinclair broadcasting. Sentiment isn't a usable statistic when sentiment is being purposely biased. It also ig…
Maybe crime is at historic lows because it's not being reported because people there think it's hopeless to report it. Maybe they've lost faith in their system. Maybe crime rates are higher in right leaning areas because it's reported and criminals are prosecuted for their crimes. All speculation, but worth considering nonetheless?
Speculation isn't generally worth considering. It's hard to hide murders in statistics, and those numbers follow the same general trend.
Crime is actually down, but crime reporting is considerably up. It drives local news viewership, which drives their advertising revenue. People don't watch news for good news. Because of this trend, people also think that crime is at all time highs.
Crime is higher in republican controlled areas because poverty, as a whole, is higher, and assistance programs are slashed. Crime (excluding white collar) is primarily driven by poverty. Republican controlled areas do also police more aggressively, and tend to heavily over police particular groups, but that hasn't lowered their crime rate, and has likely made it worse, by further pushing those groups into poverty.
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That's such a good idea that SF already does it! They're called "navigation centers". As you might guess, where to site one is an intensely political process. Oakland tried doing one temporarily. Three months turned into nine with major drug abuse and violence problems. Further, they couldn't actually manage the shrink-the-encampment goal, so eventually they had to clear it.
Yeah, I think the only way to make it work is to provide plenty of security, right along with the social workers. The NIMBYs in Portland primarily argue against siting a homeless shelter near them because of the associated violence. If the city actually staffed the shelters with enough security, that argument could be dismissed. Of course another argument would pop up to replace it. So the other thing we need to do i…
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Maybe crime is at historic lows because it's not being reported because people there think it's hopeless to report it. Maybe they've lost faith in their system. Maybe crime rates are higher in right leaning areas because it's reported and criminals are prosecuted for their crimes. All speculation, but worth considering nonetheless?
Speculation isn't generally worth considering. It's hard to hide murders in statistics, and those numbers follow the same general trend. Crime is actually down, but crime reporting is considerably up. It drives local news viewership, which drives their advertising revenue. People don't watch news for good news. Because of this trend, people also think that crime is at all time highs. Crime is higher in republican con…
Sources? Otherwise it’s just speculation, which I’ve heard isn't generally worth considering.
FWIW, I work on a national news media app and advertising CPMs are down considerably year over year thanks to Apple's ATT update, so advertising is not the driver for these business as much as it once was. Many are looking to subscription revenue to fill the void, but even that's not enough to cover the loss.
I know less about the linear (TV) and print distribution side of the business, but my guess is they're also struggling given that their target demo is getting older and older while younger cohorts aren't adopting these legacy distribution channels. https://mobiledevmemo.com/att-is-killing-advertising-perform...
You're correct in that "if it bleeds it leads"; people are fixated by bad news.
I can say anecdotally after living in both NYC and right-leaning rural NY and PA areas where the crime and poverty rates are statistically higher that it's cleaner and these issues aren't as apparent, so something isn't adding up.
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But for 10 years in downtown Portland, OR, I have lived in rural towns my entire forty-five years. I have also travelled extensively through rural PNW towns with my schooling and work. This does not at all match my experience.
Rural PNW towns not impacted by insane levels of brown/white? Dude, come on. Mexi's (fentanyl pills) are killing so many people right now. Driving so many young girls prostituting themselves. It is horrible. You lived in rural America and didn't experience families whose only source of meat was what they hunted? Dude, come on. Or families living in ancient trailer homes/campers? As for the camps, these places aren't…
Yes, there are lots of poor people in rural areas. No, they do not live in tents in giant mountains of garbage with needles littered all around. What you see in Portland is not a product of being poor. It's a product of enabling the worst of society with three free meals a day and no enforcement of drug laws.
There are boatloads of programs to support the urban poor. I donate to many of them. If you need a hand up in Portland, it's there outstretched and straining to reach you. What we have in the streets are not poor people who need help. They are sick, or mentally disabled people. And some are just truly bad people.
Growing up, my own family's primary (at times only) source of protein was fishing and hunting. We somehow struggled through without being degenerates.