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Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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"Notice the color, shape and style of the laptops you see, especially their displays. They nearly all have black bezel, are rectangular with rounded corners." Where do you think Samsung got their inspiration for those designs? What did Samsung's notebooks look like before Apple's MacBook Pro was around? Example: http://bit.ly/ufAt6y

I'm not quite sure what your point is - certainly Samsung was making laptops with the same black design theme prior to the iPad's release. I very much doubt they changed their whole line of laptops to look like the iPad.

"certainly Samsung was making laptops with the same black design theme prior to the iPad's release"

As was Apple, hence my earlier comment. Samsung hasn't just ripped off Apple's iPad design, it's been ripping off Apple's designs for years. From the MacBook Air to the iPhone to the iPod Touch, Samsung has been making faithful copies.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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I'm not quite sure what your point is - certainly Samsung was making laptops with the same black design theme prior to the iPad's release. I very much doubt they changed their whole line of laptops to look like the iPad.

"certainly Samsung was making laptops with the same black design theme prior to the iPad's release" As was Apple, hence my earlier comment. Samsung hasn't just ripped off Apple's iPad design, it's been ripping off Apple's designs for years. From the MacBook Air to the iPhone to the iPod Touch, Samsung has been making faithful copies.

So let me understand, you think that, say, the laptops pictured here:

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=samsung+laptop&tbm=isc...

are faithful copies of these ones:

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=macbook+pro&tbm=isch

I just don't see how you can remotely draw this conclusion.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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The author seems to argue that only unsuccessful design is entitled to protection.

No, just that only non-obvious design should be entitled to protection. A thumb-width, neutrally colored bezel, a rectangle screen, and non-lethal corners are obvious. Apple's suggestions are to specifically engineer a device that looks unlike an Apple product, rather than designing a device in the obvious way. Apple wants to corner the market on simple design. Imagine if your coffee cup couldn't be designed to be ro…

What about design the success of which makes it obvious only in retrospect? I thought that was precisely what IP was there to protect. If the design becomes successful but is still not obvious to competitors, would IP be needed to protect it?

For the record I don't support IP.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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In general, the tablet design language seems to have evolved over time. Here are the four pre-iPad generations of Nokia's internet tablets: 770 (2005): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/231781513/ N800 (2007): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/399708279/ N810 (2007): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/2290709295/ N900 (2009): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4706326072/ In those pictures you can also see some…

> for example, on the iPad I have to zoom HN quite a bit before I can reliably hit the up/down voting buttons. This is because HN's design and HTML code suck. It's unreadable and inconvenient on laptops too.

That's why I use this:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/oieefcckcbbgniifdh...

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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It is not so simple. Tablet computers before the iPad did not look anything like the iPad: http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/18/tablet-design-before-after-th... in hindsight , it seems like the only completely obvious way to design a tablet, but that fact in itself is the mark of great design.

That picture, which is shown much too often, is a perfect illustration only of selection bias. Going through past tablets and choosing the ones that were not black rectangles proves nothing except that some tablets did not look like the ipad. Some tablets now also don't look like the ipad.

It's also a perfect illustration of why this and Samsung's arguments to the contrary are invalid.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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>>Apple wants to corner the market on simple design. Imagine if your coffee cup couldn't be designed to be round, have a handle that goes from the top to the bottom, or have an opening on the top to drink from. I don't understand this point of view at all. It's seems loaded and emotive. I'll ask you this; why can other hardware manufacturers make tablet devices that are aesthetically appealing to consumers that aren'…

Can you link me to one? I'm having a hard time finding a tablet that does not look like an iPad. The HP Touchpad, the Playbook, Motorola Xoom, even the Kindle Fire looks like a 7" iPad. The Nook Tablet is about the only one, and it's just a silver iPad with a notch cut out of the corner for some reason. Eee Transformer? iPad with an optional keyboard. The Acer Iconia has a silver lining around the bezel. That and the…

Sure; any of these at the bottom of the picture - http://gdeluxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111004-03455...

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Did they hide the samsung brand on the front and had it turned off? I mean most people are aware of the Apple brand and would know it's not and iPad just based on the lack of the apple logo.

If the only thing the distinguishes your product from a competitor's predecessor is the change in which logo is on it, you've got a serious issue.

Actually there is a lot more that differentiates these two devices even on a first inspection. If I asked you to tell me the brand of two tires with no branding could you tell me which is which? I don't see people talking about bridegstone and Michelin having serious issues.

On a first inspection of the device I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't think they are the same. After turning it on even less. That the samsung looks are inspired by the iPad, I'm sure they would agree but I don't think they would be confused. Most people don't seem confused when buy clothes at Macy's that they are actually the designer equivalent.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Upgrade from IE - it doesn’t resize fonts specified in pixels in text resize mode.

You wound me sir. I use Chrome on Linux. Linux user since v1.2.3!

I take it all back!

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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So basically you are calling out people for their "design blindness" while at the same time you imply that no competing electronic device has ever been designed as well as anything Apple has ever made. I like Apple products too, but some of their competitors make awesome products from time to time.

Name one. Please, this is a serious question. I would truly love to have an Android phone, an Android tablet or a Linux-compatible laptop with the same design and build quality as an Apple product. I've pretty much given up on manufacturers that clearly don't want my money. Audio and tv electronics, no problem. Hell, I can even get beautifully designed alarm clocks, toasters and even friggin' designer humidifiers, so…

Just two that I own(ed):

Lenovo Thinkpad X220 (Richard Sapper, and well, the build quality certainly beats every MacBook out there) HTC Desire (It fell from 20ft and survived)

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/sam... Here this is a nice photo frame samsung made in 2006, interestingly no one sued anyone for it. Apple is just full of bullshit and does everything to halt sales of their competitor.

> Apple is just full of bullshit What a compelling argument!

Read my comment again - in full.
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