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WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

#191
post #26

Time to talk about matrix.org and Element not Signal and definitely not Telegram...

I'd disagree. In terms of privacy and anonymity, Matrix is an unguaranteeable nightmare. Just all the IRC bridges alone are a worst case scenario on what can happen with your data.

I'd rather recommend Briar [1] which is really end to end encrypted, and works even offline via bluetooth or Wi-Fi LAN.

[1] https://briarproject.org/

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

#192
post #27
post #26

Time to talk about matrix.org and Element not Signal and definitely not Telegram...

Why not Telegram, it has by far the best UX of all chat apps.

It is centralized and mostly not E2ee. It has mainly the same problems as WhatsApp.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

#193
post #175

I'm amazed people still use WhatsApp. We mostly abandoned it in the United States back in the mid 2010's. I mostly use it with friends over in european countries, just like I do with people in China with WeChat.

What instant messaging app do americans use? Just plain SMS/MMS?

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

#194
post #104

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But nobody is forcing you to use matrix.org, and if you have the resources it's easy to run a separate instance with peering, so that you get both the benefits of being able to communicate with everyone and have a faster/locally controlled instance with whatever rules you like. We're keeping one alive with friends, not because we need it, but because we can and it's easy to do so. We can argue matrix has not the most…

I might not use matrix.org, but when 90% of my friends do (and currently that's closer to 100%), that doesn't do much for me... (But also: I don't have the resources to run a separate instance for myself, let alone for my friends.)

If running your own homeserver weren't so painful for some folks this might be a bit more addressable, but currently if you're in a few popular rooms it's going to make a monster of your digitalocean bill, and sucks to maintain.

Hint: the correct answer to this is not "Well there's your problem you're expecting to run it on Digital oc-" no, this attitude helps nobody. Like Picard said, make it so.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

#195
post #141

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Okay, this actually looks like a serious attempt at solving the exact problems I pointed out! I wish you all the best for Snikket! Congratulations and thanks for working on this issue that definitely needs a solution. Is there a desktop app for Snikket?

Thanks! The project is generally going well, if a little ambitious for the resources it currently has :) Having been down the venture capital route in the past and not particularly enjoyed it, I'm trying to work on Snikket as close to full-time as possible while self-limiting to funding that's compatible with the open nature of the project and the ecosystem it's a part of. Currently grants, sponsorships and donations…

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Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

#196
post #124
post #111

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Core XMPP is decentralized today . Room chats standardization in XMPP started 20 years ago. Any server existing today has solved the issue whatsapp is facing right now.

It has decentralization today , but also no users today . I would be happy with it but my contact list quite empty. I'm not outright rejecting XMPP. I would like it very much to just use XMPP, but something needs to happen. It needs to be easy to use, friction-less, have all the fancy features and probably more to sell than Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and Matrix at the same time, which is no small…

XMPP is just the internet standard, it does not try to solve the network effect problem. But it would be important if platforms like Signal, Telegram or Matrix would adopt it instead of inventing their own incompatible protocols.

Without a internet standard for IM we cannot hope for advanced features like usable federation, encrypted messaging or A/V calls between platforms. We probably should not be promoting platforms which are not standards compliant.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

#199
post #123

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Let’s do a phone group call with 50 people, fun.

I don't know anyone who do that on whatsapp.

Group messaging is extremely common. If you replaced this with calls, you would need some kind of group phone call. It was sarcasm.
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