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Kanye 'Ye' West – Lex Fridman Podcast

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Re: Kanye 'Ye' West – Lex Fridman Podcast

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Post by lupire »

z7 wrote: post #30
Mizza wrote: post #7

Even though I've enjoyed a lot of the Lex interviews in the past, I think this is really exploitative. A man with bipolar disorder is having a major manic episode and everybody is shoving microphones in front of him and getting upset when what he says sounds crazy.

He once said he has bipolar disorder. He now says things that sound crazy to me. Therefore he is having a manic episode. The problem with this reasoning is that people can say things that sound crazy without it being a symptom of a mental disorder.

Yes, Ye and his family could be repeatedly lying or mistaken. At some point, you have to draw a concluson from incomplete evidence.

Re: Kanye 'Ye' West – Lex Fridman Podcast

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Post by lupire »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #27

I could only handle the first minute of the Holocaust discussion because Kanye was just unhinged - African Americans is not a lost tribe and Planned Parenthood can in no way be compared to genocide. Lex wrongly assumes you can reason with and even find value in the rantings of somebody who is suffering from mental illness.

"mental illness" is a very vague term.

Re: Kanye 'Ye' West – Lex Fridman Podcast

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Post by Mizza »

z7 wrote: post #30
Mizza wrote: post #7

Even though I've enjoyed a lot of the Lex interviews in the past, I think this is really exploitative. A man with bipolar disorder is having a major manic episode and everybody is shoving microphones in front of him and getting upset when what he says sounds crazy.

He once said he has bipolar disorder. He now says things that sound crazy to me. Therefore he is having a manic episode. The problem with this reasoning is that people can say things that sound crazy without it being a symptom of a mental disorder.

I am very familiar with bipolar people and how they act when they are manic - unable to answer questions directly, rambling thought, believe entities are speaking to them, they are "chosen", infectious energy, not taking care of their personal appearance, it goes on.. I'm 100% certain this is mania. He even says he stopped taking his pills during the interview.

Re: Kanye 'Ye' West – Lex Fridman Podcast

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Post by wahern »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #27

I could only handle the first minute of the Holocaust discussion because Kanye was just unhinged - African Americans is not a lost tribe and Planned Parenthood can in no way be compared to genocide. Lex wrongly assumes you can reason with and even find value in the rantings of somebody who is suffering from mental illness.

> African Americans is not a lost tribe

African Americans, or even Africans, identifying themselves as a lost tribe of Israel is nothing new. In fact, it's been a recurring theme in black empowerment narratives for well over a century. Not just allegorically, but literally. One example closest to mainstream awareness would be the Rastafarians, and specifically the sub-sect which Bob Marley belonged to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tribes_of_Israel_(Rasta...

Kanye West is refashioning ad hoc black empowerment narratives in basically the same manner he would do when crafting music based on pre-existing musical themes--lyrics, beats, etc. (Which is to say, basically the same way we all internalize cultural narratives.) If you have even a passing familiarity with these movements then it's all easily intelligible and plausibly coherent so long as you don't think about it too much.

The same is true regarding Planned Parenthood. There are tens of millions of Americans who equivocate abortion with murder, and more recently with genocide of the "black race" because of the (supposed--I haven't verified) greater rates of abortion among black Americans.

Re: Kanye 'Ye' West – Lex Fridman Podcast

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Post by pathartl »

maegul wrote: post #22
Mizza wrote: post #7

Even though I've enjoyed a lot of the Lex interviews in the past, I think this is really exploitative. A man with bipolar disorder is having a major manic episode and everybody is shoving microphones in front of him and getting upset when what he says sounds crazy.

As a casual listener of Lex's podcasts, my position is now to ignore him unless a good reason for this guest right now can be made clear. I can imagine Lex himself talking about openness and diversity etc but this just reeks of opportunism.

I've only watched Lex's episode with Carmack and I just don't understand the appeal. It was like listening to a junior frontend dev stumble around programming topics with buzzwords. Maybe I just watched one episode and got a bad taste, but the questions weren't great and somehow Carmack still was able to give interesting answers.

Re: Kanye 'Ye' West – Lex Fridman Podcast

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Post by tsol »

z7 wrote: post #30
Mizza wrote: post #7

Even though I've enjoyed a lot of the Lex interviews in the past, I think this is really exploitative. A man with bipolar disorder is having a major manic episode and everybody is shoving microphones in front of him and getting upset when what he says sounds crazy.

He once said he has bipolar disorder. He now says things that sound crazy to me. Therefore he is having a manic episode. The problem with this reasoning is that people can say things that sound crazy without it being a symptom of a mental disorder.

Many people have noted his behavior seems very similar to someone in a manic episode. While this isn't bulletproof evidence and shouldn't be taken as such, I think it's worth something. There's definitely something off about him, that doesn't mean he has no responsibility but I think it's telling the reaction

Re: Kanye 'Ye' West – Lex Fridman Podcast

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Post by EdwardKrayer »

pathartl wrote: post #37
maegul wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a casual listener of Lex's podcasts, my position is now to ignore him unless a good reason for this guest right now can be made clear. I can imagine Lex himself talking about openness and diversity etc but this just reeks of opportunism.

I've only watched Lex's episode with Carmack and I just don't understand the appeal. It was like listening to a junior frontend dev stumble around programming topics with buzzwords. Maybe I just watched one episode and got a bad taste, but the questions weren't great and somehow Carmack still was able to give interesting answers.

I assume approaching his guests as a layman allows his viewers to scratch the surface of tech/science/topics potentially inaccessible to people outside of the normal scope.
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