Live data from Hacker News

Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

news.ycombinator.com

91–100 of 132 posts

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The metaverse better be real good They’ve invented legs, I’m not sure what else you’d need.

I feel like people don't see the timeline. As much as I hate Zuck, his current 3D playground is probably comparable to a 70's video game, and his vision is that the Metaverse future is Skyrim or GTA5, I guess that'd be a Matrix-like virtual world. Imagine a headset with a 360 degree camera, so you can broadcast your surroundings, and someone else can wear their VR headset and be seeing what your camera is seeing. Or…

> I feel like people don't see the timeline.

And I feel like people are high on fumes and refuse to see that there’s nothing there, none of the actual problems are solved, and there are no real use case being addressed. Someone just went “this is the next hype” and… is it?

Most next hypes flounder and die a lonely but well deserved death.

> his vision is that the Metaverse future is Skyrim or GTA5, I guess that'd be a Matrix-like virtual world.

Except for all the difficult bits which make matrix matrix, you know, the part where you don’t crash into a wall or destroy a display if you forget that you’re very much still in the real world outside of your helmet?

> Imagine a headset with a 360 degree camera, so you can broadcast your surroundings, and someone else can wear their VR headset and be seeing what your camera is seeing.

Yes because if there’s one thing that’s missing to my life, it’s an office supervisor being able to see my surroundings when I’m taking a shit.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#92
It seems bizarre to me that Europeans have to pay for sending international SMS, it's been free/unlimited in many places for 5 years.

Will carriers charge for RCS? How has Google got them to sign up without some fee?

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#93
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can still text regularly though, so it isn't that much of an issue if there's a real need to communicate. Edit: I feel like every response I'm getting is: 'but texting is expensive, especially with foreign contacts'. Sure, but do you really need to send 100 texts in the odd hour that Whatsapp is offline sometimes, or can they wait? Parent wrote 'This is a big issue in Europe', which is what I'm responding to. I…

Sitting in Africa and I have clients in Europe - some things just don't lend themselves to email coms.

I don't see how that conclusion follows from the premise. Why doesn't email work for you in particular when you're in Africa and your clients in Europe?

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's not decentralized like the internet itself, it will never work. Over and over again we learn that centralization doesn't not work.

What does "doesn't work" mean here, and who learns that lesson? E-mail is decentralized, but every now and then a hn post pops up, complaining about how you can't run your own email server these days. Billions of people don't use email for personal communication, but use centralized apps like WhatsApp and many businesses do the same with WhatsApp, Slack and similar apps. To me it looks like running a centralized serv…

E-mail is de facto centralized, because a bunch of massive actors get to decide if they want to bully you and send your emails to a blackhole.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#95

It seems bizarre to me that Europeans have to pay for sending international SMS, it's been free/unlimited in many places for 5 years. Will carriers charge for RCS? How has Google got them to sign up without some fee?

If you think people use Whatsapp just because of international SMS pricing then you don't really understand Whatsapp.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#96

In Europe it's used a lot by small businesses etc. it's pretty bad if it's not reliable. The metaverse better be real good, else Meta will be in serious decline.

If it's not decentralized like the internet itself, it will never work. Over and over again we learn that centralization doesn't not work.

I like decentralization but in WhatsApp's case it obviously does work for the vast majority of the time.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#97

Global communication protocols and interfaces should be left to the ISPs, just like email and NNTP etc. used to be, and DNS still is. Really, why can't everything be like DNS? You ask the nearest available authority about something, and that in turn asks the next nearest authority, until that shit is found. Would work for web search too. When you need a pretty UI just put different client apps on top of it, just like…

They're ruining DNS, too, in the form of DNS-over-HTTP. The justification being that DNS is tampered with by national NICs (eg a paragon of press freedom such as ycombinator.com redirected to something else). Of course, DoH has absolutely nothing to do with valuable DNS query data and closing "leaks" of visit data from Google's PoV ...

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#98
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much better in that it is open source (so you can audit the e2ee), and it does a lot about metadata. It is actually better at protecting metadata than many decentralized alternatives. Nobody said it was perfect. It's just better.

WhatsApp actually uses signal protocol for e2ee

It doesn't matter, the app is closed source so they can still access your messages regadless of what protocol they use.

https://gizmodo.com/whatsapp-moderators-can-read-your-messag...

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Signal any better? US based, centralized, hostile towards alternate clients. Not much better IMO.

I'd say it's a lot better since it doesn't do unknown things with your address book. It actually doesn't do any unknown things and the fact that they're US based is irrelevant since they have nothing to give away thanks to E2EE.

What kind of unknown things with an address book is WhatsApp doing?

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#100
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typical case of degraded mode of operation, I presume. That’s how well engineered systems should behave when they’re about to go down. My guess is that this particular outage was caused due to a scaling constraint somewhere in the stack.

There are many ways systems can fail. Do you really feel as confident about your guess as your statement implies?

It was just a guess :)

Would be interesting to see the RCA if/when it’s published.

Post reply on HN