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Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

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In Europe it's used a lot by small businesses etc. it's pretty bad if it's not reliable. The metaverse better be real good, else Meta will be in serious decline.

If it's not decentralized like the internet itself, it will never work. Over and over again we learn that centralization doesn't not work.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#62

In Europe it's used a lot by small businesses etc. it's pretty bad if it's not reliable. The metaverse better be real good, else Meta will be in serious decline.

Yeah, WahtsAps is the biggest messaging app in the EU, and I think other Latin-Am countries as well. Whenever it goes down it's bad for business and people.

I tried to convince people to move to Signal, but 1) they're not immune to outages as well, 2) the network effect is too strong, and 3) signal doesn't seem to get the QoL niceties that made WhatsApp appealing in the first place and insisting they know better. No easy chat history backup is a no-go for most people. No live location sharing is also a bummer. Plus their Android app is a second class citizen in quality and lacking tablet support.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

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Seems global outage: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/25/whatsapp-is-down-globally.ht... Each time this happens I try to recruit more people to use Signal.

How is Signal any better? US based, centralized, hostile towards alternate clients. Not much better IMO.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

#64

In Europe it's used a lot by small businesses etc. it's pretty bad if it's not reliable. The metaverse better be real good, else Meta will be in serious decline.

> The metaverse better be real good They’ve invented legs, I’m not sure what else you’d need.

I feel like people don't see the timeline. As much as I hate Zuck, his current 3D playground is probably comparable to a 70's video game, and his vision is that the Metaverse future is Skyrim or GTA5, I guess that'd be a Matrix-like virtual world.

Imagine a headset with a 360 degree camera, so you can broadcast your surroundings, and someone else can wear their VR headset and be seeing what your camera is seeing. Or use some transformation/extra gear so they can view the world/your avatar from a few feet next to you.

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post #14

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They can still text regularly though, so it isn't that much of an issue if there's a real need to communicate. Edit: I feel like every response I'm getting is: 'but texting is expensive, especially with foreign contacts'. Sure, but do you really need to send 100 texts in the odd hour that Whatsapp is offline sometimes, or can they wait? Parent wrote 'This is a big issue in Europe', which is what I'm responding to. I…

Every SMS I send nationally costs me 0.30€ my brother. I am not even going to bother looking what it costs me to text outside the country (even if inside the EU) or to send an MMS.

I haven't had to pay for SMS in the last decade. Even roaming is free in the EU too. Do we live in divergent Europe timelines or something?

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can still text regularly though, so it isn't that much of an issue if there's a real need to communicate. Edit: I feel like every response I'm getting is: 'but texting is expensive, especially with foreign contacts'. Sure, but do you really need to send 100 texts in the odd hour that Whatsapp is offline sometimes, or can they wait? Parent wrote 'This is a big issue in Europe', which is what I'm responding to. I…

This is slightly impractical for non-critical communication for me because many of my friends are foreigners like me. Example issues: - many people I talk to have phone numbers from different countries. Making such communication expensive. - also, I suspect many people around me have not updated their WhatsApp number for a while (or have multiple SIMs) - no one here optimises for SMS or call minutes. Some people will…

How do people call 112 on such plans?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The metaverse better be real good They’ve invented legs, I’m not sure what else you’d need.

I feel like people don't see the timeline. As much as I hate Zuck, his current 3D playground is probably comparable to a 70's video game, and his vision is that the Metaverse future is Skyrim or GTA5, I guess that'd be a Matrix-like virtual world. Imagine a headset with a 360 degree camera, so you can broadcast your surroundings, and someone else can wear their VR headset and be seeing what your camera is seeing. Or…

Sounds terribly stupid to me.

This technology needs drastic minimization to become seriously popular.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

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post #14
post #10

This is a big issue in Europe. Everyone I know does text communication exclusively through WhatApp.

They can still text regularly though, so it isn't that much of an issue if there's a real need to communicate. Edit: I feel like every response I'm getting is: 'but texting is expensive, especially with foreign contacts'. Sure, but do you really need to send 100 texts in the odd hour that Whatsapp is offline sometimes, or can they wait? Parent wrote 'This is a big issue in Europe', which is what I'm responding to. I…

In Europe you're degrading all the way to basic SMS because as far as i know MMS never worked properly. So basic text only, no emoji's or media attachments.

Re: Tell HN: WhatsApp Is Down

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is slightly impractical for non-critical communication for me because many of my friends are foreigners like me. Example issues: - many people I talk to have phone numbers from different countries. Making such communication expensive. - also, I suspect many people around me have not updated their WhatsApp number for a while (or have multiple SIMs) - no one here optimises for SMS or call minutes. Some people will…

How do people call 112 on such plans?

112 always goes through even if you haven't paid your subscription. In some countries even if you don't even have a SIM in your phone.
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