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Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by arianvanp »

fragmede wrote: post #20

I can't help but wonder how much the open sourcing of Stable Diffusion contributed to the decision to do this release.

(Full disclosure; I work for a Bumble competitor. And I applaud Bumble for open sourcing this. It's great if we can work together as an industry to protect people from sexual abuse).

There's some questions I have about this release

the interest is in the model itself. They released the pre-trained model as a zip that you can download from their website but they do not mention the license for using this model anywhere. It is unclear from the documentation and license under what conditions you're allowed to use it. The zipfile itself doesn't contain any terms of use inside.

Though they give instructions on how to tweak the model with your own additional input images; again it's unclear from the license if you can create derivatives of the Model.

One might assume it falls under the Apache license that's included in the repository. But the model itself does not live in the repository (is not bundled with the source code) so it's not clear. Also Apache isn't really suited for assets and models. it's more meant for source code.

It would be nice if they would adopt a license that explicitly mentions how the model can be used like StableDiffusion does.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by danuker »

Kiro wrote: post #134
yosito wrote: post #130

I was permanently banned from Tinder for trying to upload a picture of myself holding a pepper from my garden. I can only assume that Tinder's AI thought the pepper looked like an unacceptable body part. I am absolutely in favor of using AI to combat unsolicited nudes as long as it's implemented something like: on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking fo…

Sending unsolicited nudes is a crime so no, it should not be allowed even if there are people who enjoy that stuff.

It is not.

https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/bumble-now-unsolicited-...

> This sending of unsolicited nudes, or cyberflashing, is not only violent and pernicious, it’s entirely without consequences in 49 states.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by Kiro »

danuker wrote: post #142
Kiro wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sending unsolicited nudes is a crime so no, it should not be allowed even if there are people who enjoy that stuff.

It is not. https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/bumble-now-unsolicited-... > This sending of unsolicited nudes, or cyberflashing, is not only violent and pernicious, it’s entirely without consequences in 49 states.

Keep reading the article and you will see it is now indeed illegal in a few places, including Texas where Bumble is based.

> Now, the sending of a lewd photo without the recipient’s consent is a Class C misdemeanor in Texas, punishable by a fine of up to $500.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by raverbashing »

squarefoot wrote: post #133
yosito wrote: post #130

I was permanently banned from Tinder for trying to upload a picture of myself holding a pepper from my garden. I can only assume that Tinder's AI thought the pepper looked like an unacceptable body part. I am absolutely in favor of using AI to combat unsolicited nudes as long as it's implemented something like: on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking fo…

> I was permanently banned from Tinder for trying to upload a picture of myself holding a pepper from my garden. I can only assume that Tinder's AI thought the pepper looked like an unacceptable body part. If that was a "peter pepper", the AI could have reacted just like a human. NSFW warning in case you search: yes, it can look very close to the real thing. I tried to grow them in my balcony among other types of chi…

I'd imagine a geoduck (yes, NSFW) would be similarly misclassified

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by Rufbdbskrufb473 »

borissk wrote: post #84
smt88 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dating apps are tailored to people in the top X% of attractiveness. Don't take it personally. Most people aren't successful on them, even the ones who get a lot of matches.

If that's true the person to figure out how to make dating apps work for average guys can make a lot of money...

Dating apps end up mostly being used for casual dating and hookups. The closest thing to that for average or below average guys is prostitution, which of course has been around a while and much money was and is being made.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by Rufbdbskrufb473 »

borissk wrote: post #138
Bakary wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't sound logically possible, and if it were it would not last long as average men get wind of it

Why is it not possible? In a society where multi marriages are not allowed there's a woman for every man.

Most dating doesn't lead to permanent pairings, so the fact that there are roughly equal numbers of men and women isn't that relevant when people are free to date at different frequencies and durations.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by joking »

dinosaurdynasty wrote: post #45
monktastic1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I would have guessed most people would want to know who the "toxic" people are in their life so that they can take appropriate action instead of finding out in a worse way later.

I think the idea is "automatically block people who send dick pics" and not "silently remove dick pics but allow other messages from the same person". Considering what Bumble/Tinder are maybe this makes sense?

tinder doesn't allow to send pics, I think that this is actually the reason they don't.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by vidarh »

borissk wrote: post #84
smt88 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dating apps are tailored to people in the top X% of attractiveness. Don't take it personally. Most people aren't successful on them, even the ones who get a lot of matches.

If that's true the person to figure out how to make dating apps work for average guys can make a lot of money...

Not convinced. There are obvious steps that'd be more "average guy" friendly, but would kill engagement and so revenue.

E.g. slow down showing profiles when they have more than X pending matches. An ex told me she'd paid for Gold on Tinder once out of curiosity (lets you see how many have swiped right on you). Her pending matches were in the 4 digits. These profiles "soak up" a lot of the time and attention of people on these platforms without creating a real chance of matches for users who aren't super aggressively matching everyone.

This again trains for a behaviour where men match a lot, and women can afford to be very selective.

But reducing the displays of the most popular profiles so their pending matches queue is never very deep won't do anything good for revenue.

Another option is to train models to predict likely matches, and sort displays accordingly, but that again won't do much for revenue, because it would mean average men would be more likely to be shown women closer to their attractiveness level which there is less competition for rather than women with 4 figure deep queues of waiting matches.

Remember, most dating sites make money from making it hard enough to get a match that people pay for premium services to increase their chance. They have a built in incentive to exaggerate the possibilities while maintaining friction in actually meeting someone. It must be hard for you to find someone for most of them to do well.

If you can convince people to pay for a less perversely incentivised model, maybe. E.g. a "pay per match" model maybe, if well protected against scammers. But suspect it'd be a very hard sell.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by vidarh »

godmode2019 wrote: post #83
smt88 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dating apps are tailored to people in the top X% of attractiveness. Don't take it personally. Most people aren't successful on them, even the ones who get a lot of matches.

I'm relevantly good looking, no problem with getting a beautiful woman IRL, but on dating apps I get no matches. Or if I do its girls who are either average or tinder addicts who everyone should avoid. My working theory is on a dating app woman have unlimited access, so tend to go torwards the top 99.9% of men. Solution: Shadow ban hyper attractive people. Solution 2: Only show people a similar level of attractivenes…

A less dramatic version of your first solution is to show a profile progressively less the more matches are pending, and the more selective you are in rejecting pending matches.

Couple that with trying to predict likely matches and weight towards showing profiles which are likely to match and you would likely approach solution 2 without explicitly focusing only on attractiveness.

But at the same time you'll have killed a major revenue driver for a lot of dating sites: frustration over few matches.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by Beaver117 »

socialismisok wrote: post #126
godmode2019 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I did mean the top 0.1% of men. I disagree with that the top man can not date more than a few. A single woman needs a romantic partner let's say ever three months, a man can have one every day. We see this in gay men having 500+ average sexual partners. Gay men can have sex as much as they want, because of access. Top 0.1% of men can also have sex when ever they want, they are getting constant matches with 6,7,8…

Judging by how you are framing the issue and the way you've talked about women in this thread (which has been a red flag for me, at least) I suspect your experience has nothing to do with your physical traits.

Please focus on the argument and don't attack the poster's character. This isn't reddit.
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