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Re: New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions

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Post by minhazm » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 3:29 AM UTC

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #161

frumper wrote: post #140

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Super cruise requires a very high end trim to even purchase the super cruise package. You can get FSD on the lowest model 3 specs. FSD is ridiculously priced though, it’s just not a reasonable comparison on the monthly fee.

Model 3 with Enhanced Autopilot: 53k Model 3 with FSD: 62k Bolt EUV with Super Cruise: 38k

Super Cruise on the Bolt EUV is not comparable to Tesla Enhanced AP or FSD. It can't even change lanes for you, you have to manually do it[1]. It also is restricted to a specific set of highways. It's comparable to Tesla's basic Autopilot, which is included for free with all Tesla models and has no subscription required. Super Cruise at least for Chevy EV's is traffic aware cruise control + lane-keeping + driver monitoring, that's it. Tesla's are still more expensive than the Bolt though, there's no question about that. But Chevrolet also had to recall every single Bolt ever made due to battery issues [2], including 2022 models. So I can't imagine anyone is in line to actually buy a Bolt now. Many parking garages even have signs that say you can't park there with a Chevy Bolt.

[1] https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/s3/uploads/chevrolet/supe...

[2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/recall-all-chevy-bolt-v...

[3] https://insideevs.com/news/543282/parking-lots-ban-chevy-bol...

Re: New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions

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Post by caf » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 5:27 AM UTC

lamontcg wrote: post #160

alistairSH wrote: post #149

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Road sign designs don't change very often. No way consumers should be forced into a perpetual monthly subscription for something that probably needs updates every 5 years or so. Not sure how it should work long-term, but a monthly subscription for a mature system sounds wrong to me. If the FSD relies on published maps to work, it's already doomed. Road layouts change way too frequently (sometimes temporary, for const…

It also shouldn't really matter what kind of vehicle are out there. If I see some weird looking car I've never seen before, I just treat it like every other car.

You might be surprised the first time, but the next time you see one you'll treat it like any other car, because you're always learning.

These systems separate the learning phase (training the model) from the acting phase, so to do the same as you they need to be able to retrain on new data occasionally as well.

Re: New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions

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Post by caf » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 5:49 AM UTC

dahdum wrote: post #97

leetcrew wrote: post #82

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> The heated seats example is a great one. There is no reason for this not be a one-time charge. if you're referring to BMW, the heated seats are still available as a one time charge. they're just also available as a subscription if you didn't option then upfront. heated seats seem like a weird fit for the subscription model, but as long as the upfront purchase option is reasonably priced, I don't really see the issu…

The issue is you already paid for the heating element in the seats when you bought the car, and you are driving it around as dead weight (however small). You own the heater outright, they are gatekeeping your ability to use it.

The issue is you already paid for the heating element in the seats when you bought the car

Not necessarily - it's possible the cost of that item in the BOM is separated and offset only against the expected revenue from those paying specifically to have it.

Anyway, here's how I'd split this baby: BMW can charge to enable the heated seats in whatever way they want, but the consumer is also allowed to modchip their car to enable the heated seats without paying if they want.

Re: New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions

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Post by caf » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 6:01 AM UTC

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #122

paxys wrote: post #103

People sure seem to love government overreach when they think it works in their favor. The economics behind one-time vs subscription pricing is very far removed from the responsibility of a New Jersey bureaucrat. Let Ford and BMW and Tesla figure it out for themselves. If people really do hate it as much as the article and the lawmakers seem to suggest, they will simply not buy it.

> If people really do hate it as much as the article and the lawmakers seem to suggest, they will simply not buy it. Just like the people that hated that Apple was removing the headphone jack, they'll just not buy it. Oh wait, they still did. And now Androids are losing the headphone jack, too. The viewpoint of just letting the market decide is naive and assumes consumers are rational, behave in their own best intere…

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Re: New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions

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Post by w1nst0nsm1th » Wed, Oct 26, 2022, 10:33 AM UTC

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #146

w1nst0nsm1th wrote: post #74

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But FDR, with its New Deal, is still the prefered US President, and by a large margin : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_preside...

That’s because most people don’t realize that those policies started us down the path to authoritarianism we’re headed to now.

That's something JP Morgan would say.