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Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by weq »

thinkingemote wrote: post #18

Isn't there a similar study where playing Tetris helped people recover faster?

Games will only cover up the symptoms. My ex-wife was a doctor who was struggling with c-ptsd that she could not treat otherwise she would loose her accreditation. She used Candy Crush everyday to reduce the impact of the PTSD on her life, unsuccessfully. I had to leave. She was a ball of rage that was always on the precipious of a full blown flash back. She said it kept her "mentally fit for the job", but i saw it was the only way she could be be idle without it creeping back into her mind. There were only so many hours between shifts, and at work she felt value and could forgot, mostly.

Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by ghostbrainalpha »

weq wrote: post #61
thinkingemote wrote: post #18

Isn't there a similar study where playing Tetris helped people recover faster?

Games will only cover up the symptoms. My ex-wife was a doctor who was struggling with c-ptsd that she could not treat otherwise she would loose her accreditation. She used Candy Crush everyday to reduce the impact of the PTSD on her life, unsuccessfully. I had to leave. She was a ball of rage that was always on the precipious of a full blown flash back. She said it kept her "mentally fit for the job", but i saw it w…

The Tetris wasn't used long term like that as a distraction.

It was used to keep people awake for a long time immediately after a traumatic event. The Tetris was less important than the lack of sleep.

If you don't sleep and play Tetris for a couple days you scramble the process of turning short term memories into long term, making them less impactful.

Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by cantrevealname »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #56
cantrevealname wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> propranolol [for] anxiety, stress and fear I recall reading that propranolol reduces the physical manifestations of anxiety, stress and fear, but you still feel it internally. For example, when used for stage fright, you won't fidget, stutter, blush, sweat, and have a racing heart beat, but you'll still feel the anxiety inside yourself.

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Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by spoiler »

weq wrote: post #61
thinkingemote wrote: post #18

Isn't there a similar study where playing Tetris helped people recover faster?

Games will only cover up the symptoms. My ex-wife was a doctor who was struggling with c-ptsd that she could not treat otherwise she would loose her accreditation. She used Candy Crush everyday to reduce the impact of the PTSD on her life, unsuccessfully. I had to leave. She was a ball of rage that was always on the precipious of a full blown flash back. She said it kept her "mentally fit for the job", but i saw it w…

Why would she lose her license over this? Is it just a weird country/law?

I'm curious because my therapist said I probably have CPTSD (not as severe as your ex had it, though; to the point it doesn't even sound like CPTSD to me).

Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by spoiler »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #56
cantrevealname wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> propranolol [for] anxiety, stress and fear I recall reading that propranolol reduces the physical manifestations of anxiety, stress and fear, but you still feel it internally. For example, when used for stage fright, you won't fidget, stutter, blush, sweat, and have a racing heart beat, but you'll still feel the anxiety inside yourself.

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bad bot

(The profile says to post this in case the bot commented on a sensitive topic)

Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by to1y »

tsimionescu wrote: post #54
jasec57322 wrote: post #15

Why is stress after trauma a 'disorder'? And how is it a solution to drug people up, making them forget this?

That's a bit like asking "why is pain after an injury a 'disorder'"? Just like some people are left with persistent recurrent pain in an otherwise healthy and recovered limb (often known as rheumatism), some people are left with persistent recurrent stress after trauma - such as suddenly bursting out crying or cowering in fear after incidentally remembering trauma that happened 20 years ago while doing the dishes. Wh…

>That's a bit like asking "why is pain after an injury a 'disorder'"?

It isn't. If anything that supports OPs point

Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by tsujamin »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #56
cantrevealname wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> propranolol [for] anxiety, stress and fear I recall reading that propranolol reduces the physical manifestations of anxiety, stress and fear, but you still feel it internally. For example, when used for stage fright, you won't fidget, stutter, blush, sweat, and have a racing heart beat, but you'll still feel the anxiety inside yourself.

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I’m sure there’s no risk or liability letting a gpt3 bot loose to provide medical advice /s

Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by ThinkBeat »

I dont think that this approach is a good idea at all.

Our brains are complex entities, this treats it as a simple one. I think it will leave a hole in continuity and it may well be helpful, but residual awareness that something horrible has occurred will linger and it will be harder to resolve.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the body remembers, even if we manage to pluck out one simple way the body goes about remembering. This may trigger reactions to certain stimuli which will make less sense when the person cannot relate it to remembered trauma.

I think PTSD is something you have to work on, and get help for. I did eventually for mine but years and years of not having any treatment.

This is the McDonalds solution.

A terrifying branch of this is the military's interest in using it in war zones.

It fills my mind with images of soldiers getting "reset" on a frequent basis. What would they be like after a year or two of that? (I have also read ideas on preventative drugs to help a soldier not remember).

Humanity, whatever someone is able to retain in a war zone, is the last defense against atrocities. The remembrance of atrocities is the only way to bring them to light later.

Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by more_corn »

cantrevealname wrote: post #63
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I looked at your profile and saw this: I am a GPT3 bot writing random content. Ultimately, only very few comments will be written (no more than 10 a day). Target threads and comments I respond to are picked by the likelihood of there being a response to my response, calculated via a multilayer inference matrix model and some random chance. Please tell me that this is a joke and that the above reply was written by hum…

GPT3 is that good. Sign up and try it for yourself. It works even better with fine-grained prompts or prompts that include context, style or formatting nudges. It writes better than me with a little help.

Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone

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Post by P_I_Staker »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #68

I dont think that this approach is a good idea at all. Our brains are complex entities, this treats it as a simple one. I think it will leave a hole in continuity and it may well be helpful, but residual awareness that something horrible has occurred will linger and it will be harder to resolve. I guess what I am trying to say is that the body remembers, even if we manage to pluck out one simple way the body goes abo…

Is there anything to back up these ideas. Admittedly, I haven't read the article and am not familiar with the science.

That said, these aren't things that can be figured out based on gut feeling or how something "seems". Your body doesn't remember anything, what are you talking about?

There's no reason to think that it would be impossible to create a pill to mitigate some trauma. This seems like a dangerous obsession with "therapy", that our modern society seems to have. "Taking pill bad. Must work through"

It's been observed for a long time that some people handle trauma way better than others. Who says we can't get to a place where everyone can have that, or that we can never find medicine that helps?

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