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macOS Ventura is now available

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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by zitterbewegung »

yamtaddle wrote: post #174
anigbrowl wrote: post #167

The update is cool but the update process was not. -Update available, wanna install? Sure -OK don't mind me I'm gonna need a while OK -HA HA I LIED I"M READY TO TERMINATE EVERYTHING BYEEEE WTF 5 reboots with just an Apple icon and a progress bar The progress bar also moves backwards sometimes I guess it's a metaphor for life, which is how long this seems to be taking -OK hello I am back but I need 10 minutes of alone…

> Um preferences -Oh hai I'm called Settings now and I reorganized everything Oh good. I find it by typing "settings" 100% of the time because I can never remember what it's called ("System Preferences", evidently) but that works less-well than it might since that's not the name—it doesn't fully match until I've typed the whole word.

I’ve used macs since system 7 and it went from oh I know what to click to basically me typing in the search bar for what to find.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by natch »

zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

in Terminal:

find . -type f -name “somestring”

but yeah that seems like more typing than one might want compared to a simple text entry field in the GUI.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by deergomoo »

anigbrowl wrote: post #167

The update is cool but the update process was not. -Update available, wanna install? Sure -OK don't mind me I'm gonna need a while OK -HA HA I LIED I"M READY TO TERMINATE EVERYTHING BYEEEE WTF 5 reboots with just an Apple icon and a progress bar The progress bar also moves backwards sometimes I guess it's a metaphor for life, which is how long this seems to be taking -OK hello I am back but I need 10 minutes of alone…

I got a Windows PC for the first time in over a decade recently and I cannot understand why MacOS updates are so damned slow

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by nsxwolf »

I ended up skipping Monterey on my 2013 Mac Pro entirely because it wouldn't let me install it because my original SSD broke and I replaced it with a non-Apple SSD. Starting with Monterey, that's not cool anymore because reasons.

Supposedly if you install the original SSD it will update some firmware somewhere and you'll be able to use the 3rd party SSD after that. But, like I said, mine's broken. You can supposedly also buy a used genuine SSD off eBay, but that seems a slightly expensive way to do a free OS upgrade.

Interesting story, Apple will not sell you a replacement or upgrade SSD for your 2013 Mac Pro - not for any price. They're only available for warranty replacements, and these computers haven't been under warranty for a long time.

Another thing I assume is still not fixed: The ability to permanently disable VRR for monitors that don't behave well with Apple's VRR implementation. That one's been annoying me with Monterey on my work laptop. Every time the computer sleeps, it turns VRR back on, and my screen blinks and flickers away until I manually turn it off again.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by buu700 »

jedberg wrote: post #74
sbdaman wrote: post #47

"We've been putting the same 720p webcam in our laptops for 10 years so just go ahead and use your phone instead"

"We could increase the BOM cost putting a bigger camera in but the thickness of the laptop lid is so thin it would never be as good as the phone you most likely already own, so we made it easer for you to use that". It's all a matter of perspective. :) I love the ability to use my phone as a webcam.

And yet they insist on putting a notch on all new MacBooks. Seems like adding a webcam-free option and expanding Continuity Camera support to Android would be a pretty easy win.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by JadeNB »

alin23 wrote: post #28
galoisscobi wrote: post #9

I’m usually excited about macOS releases but this one is an underwhelming update and don’t see any reason to update any time soon. Stage manager seems like a half measure to introduce better window management in macOS and it doesn’t help that it doesn’t support a keyboard only workflow, from what I can tell from the demos. Coming from i3wm, I found Yabai to be an excellent keyboard-first window manager. I do wish som…

I've been testing Stage Manager since the first developer beta of Ventura and it did feel awkward, as it had no keyboard control, and I feel slower when pointing and clicking to switch apps. But after adding support for it in my rcmd app ( https://lowtechguys.com/rcmd ), and tuning yabai's grid a bit, I found it quite useful for my workflow. Here's a video on how I use Stage Manager with the keyboard shortcuts in rcm…

How do you redeem a promo code? The app store just asks me to buy, and the trial doesn't have any obvious place to enter a promo code.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by runjake »

deergomoo wrote: post #183
anigbrowl wrote: post #167

The update is cool but the update process was not. -Update available, wanna install? Sure -OK don't mind me I'm gonna need a while OK -HA HA I LIED I"M READY TO TERMINATE EVERYTHING BYEEEE WTF 5 reboots with just an Apple icon and a progress bar The progress bar also moves backwards sometimes I guess it's a metaphor for life, which is how long this seems to be taking -OK hello I am back but I need 10 minutes of alone…

I got a Windows PC for the first time in over a decade recently and I cannot understand why MacOS updates are so damned slow

Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files.

Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by thelibrarian »

behnamoh wrote: post #120
yegle wrote: post #17

My friend has some issues with using the `scp` command on Ventura to copy files to a Synology NAS. It turns out the `scp` has been updated to use sftp protocol since OpenSSH 8.9 and Synology seems to use a different port for sftp, causing some hard to understand errors. https://lwn.net/Articles/835962/ for context.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." This applies to Ventura, Windows 11, Android 12, and iOS 16. I tried updating to some of these, only to regret it later and downgrade.

This was an upstream change in OpenSSH, not an arbitrary change by Apple.

Also, scp was in fact broken, and they fixed it by changing it to use the SFTP protocol under the hood.

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