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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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post #78

The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.

It's a chicken or the egg dilemma. Non-Apple ARM is too slow, so nobody wants Windows ARM, and nobody wants Windows ARM, so nobody is seriously working on consumer-targeted ARM. It will probably fail because Microsoft is generally bad at managing and marketing their hardware projects and coordinating with manufacturers and retail partners. Also, yeah, the pricing and performance is abysmal. But there is some sense to trying to lay the groundwork for future ARM SoCs running Windows.

Right now, the biggest driver for Windows ARM adoption is, ironically, Apple's M1 and onwards because of people running it as a guest OS through Parallels.

Also, frankly, I'm okay with Microsoft failing at projects like this. We don't need another Apple-like presence on the market.

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#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a look at what Apple is doing today to find out what the industry is doing in a year or two.

Break the build tools for their cash cow about once a month, and forbid anyone from developing for it without spending thousands of dollars on new hardware?

Seems to be working out for them alright. I'd love to make fun of them for similar reasons, but look at market, and more importantly, mind, share...

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post #87
post #49

Lack of HDMI is disappointing.

HDMI connectors cost a lot of money to the HDMI licensing authority. This payment is very painful if you have a small quantity of shipments. DisplayPort is free. And as others have pointed out, you just need to buy a cable.

Wouldn't display over USB-C solve this as well?

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#94
post #13

They should give them away. I’d never spend $600 on any kind of windows product. Maybe we can install linux on it? But you’d have to be smoking crack not to buy a mac mini m1. It’s the best computer I ever used hands down

When Apple released its $500 ARM dev kit ahead of the M1, they offered a $200 credit in exchange for return. Something equivalent seems appropriate here. This isn’t meant to be a computer for mass consumption so shouldn’t be compared to the M1 Mini.

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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#95
post #77

Ah yes, the Microsoft NUC.

I'm glad there's more serious competition in this space. And apparently I'm not alone in this opinion. From 2018: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17783924 > Oddly, what I'd really like to see is ARM enter the NUC space. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'd like be able to pay $200-400 for a small, low power usage, decently performant machine. The 8th generation Intel NUC are good, but 28W TDP and it'd be nice to get…

Well for what it's worth, Synology makes some ARM powered NASes. But I suppose those fall under the mobile SoC category.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#96
post #78

The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.

Let's not forget that Microsoft did not put in the work to optimize for Arm like Apple did.

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post #85
post #66

It continues to suck how African countries are excluded from these product launches and from many products in general. Microsoft has enough partners and regional offices because Office365 and Azure are the only worthy products for us in "shithole countries". If Microsoft isn't intending on selling a lot of these devices, the cost of adding 1 or 2 African countries would be relatively small compared to the revenue the…

Excluded how you mean?

"The Windows Dev Kit 2023 is now available to developers in 8 countries: Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States."

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#100
post #86

Maybe I am missing the point, but why wouldn't you rather buy a NUC instead of this slow box? I get it MS wants to be like Apple, meticulously copying anything that pops up there, but their brand is associated with different "experiences" and their main value lies in backwards compatibility and open hardware ecosystem.

The point of this is that it's an Windows-on-ARM devkit; you can't buy a ARM NUC that'll run Windows AFAIK (Intel doesn't make ARM machines), and you can't test ARM software natively on an x86-64 NUC.
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