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Why are there so few dead bugs on windshields these days?

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Re: Why are there so few dead bugs on windshields these days?

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How would that work? We don't have enough land as it is. And we can't pay for the additional labor small farms need, or food inflation will explode. Making agriculture unproductive will just push the demand outwards like a beaker of toxic reactants boiling over. We can't impose more trade restrictions on foreign agricultural goods either, for fear of a trade war. This hopeless romanticism of small organic mom-and-pop…

>we don't have enough land as it is Small farms are more productive per acre [1] even before considering the increased fossil footprint of 'efficient' farms. >we can't pay for the additional labor small farms need, or food inflation will explode. Additional unskilled jobs might well be worth the tradeoff, particularly for the most vulnerable members of society. >This hopeless romanticism of small organic mom-and-pop…

> Russia's Dacha model

Well, the hard part to replicate is destroying economy to force people to use those collective gardens. Shops were next to empty. Commercial variety was non existent. The rigid command economy didn't allow enterprise to address needs. Thus you had 2 ways to have good food - relatives in countryside or your own collective garden lot.

It's both economy in culture. Here in Lithuania those gardens survived well into 90s. During the transition, many people went on to do substance farming in addition to day job. Or, if they were unemployed, in exchange of it. But now people work cushy jobs and less and less people do that. It's down to gardening enthusiasts in the young generation. And even then the pattern is completely different. More about trying out exotic stuff for shit and giggles. Rather than aiming for good amount of food and then conserving it for the winter. Energy costs probably make it cheaper to buy jam rather than cook it too...

Re: Why are there so few dead bugs on windshields these days?

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This article is pretty characteristic of the chemical industry influence trying to muddle the waters.

I've watched recently a conference[1] by several renowned scientists. They affirm that neonicotinoids / neonics are responsible of at least 80% of the decline.

They also affirm that the "merchants of doubt" are working their best to muddle the evidence with things like "there are multiple factors", "it's complicated", "we need more research" etc.

But just like the overwhelming majority of lung cancer comes from smoking, the overwhelming factor in insects decline (and its consequences like birds decline) is PESTICIDES and neonicotinoids in particular.

[1]: sorry, in French : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FQT7b2ExP4 Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLQKs1KBw9Y

Other articles:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/neonicoti...

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Re: Why are there so few dead bugs on windshields these days?

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It’s also sad to see what people are doing to their gardens over here. Fake grass, no plants/just bricks. Not to mention the municipalities mowing nice patches of grass/plants/flowers where insects thrive.

It would be nice if people realized that they can have a low-maintenance, inexpensive, and insect-friendly garden full of pretty wild flowers, by planting a perennial meadow. This needs to be cut once a year. In the UK, you can buy perennial meadow seed mixes from https://www.scotiaseeds.co.uk , https://wildseed.co.uk , https://www.wildflower.co.uk , and several other companies. Elsewhere, there should be equivalents…

by planting a perennial meadow

While this works, an alternative if you have a lawn already is to just stop cutting it every x weeks but mow once or twice a year. Mow paths where needed. More often than not there are already seeds/plants in the soil which just never got the chance to grow. And if not, depending on where you live, fauna and wind will transport seeds to your garden. The end result (mind you, takes years) will usually be similar: of the seed mixes bought, a bunch won't grow, others might but won't thrive. Whereas starting from 'scratch' this also happens. And what's left are those which happen to thrive best on the local soil type and circumstances, which usually is what works best for the local ecosystem.

Re: Why are there so few dead bugs on windshields these days?

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It's good to see a comment that recognises that this "bug splatter on the windshield" data is mostly just an easily observed hook to connect the measured declines to people's everyday life experiences. The topic seems to come up here ever few months, and there's always a significant percentage of the discussion devoted to aerodynamic effects, or changes in insect distribution specific to roadside habitats. Those conv…

insecticides kill insects? Big if true. Sounds like it working as designed.

The point of an insecticide is to kill the specific insect being a pest to the crop. Not to kill every single insect altogether.

Maybe people like you should experience what a world without insects would look like. I can save you the time. There will be no world.

Re: Why are there so few dead bugs on windshields these days?

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Here in the ultra-dense Netherlands, threats to insects are magnified. As such, it's easier to point to specific causes. Butterflies: 50% reduction in 50 years. Beetles: 75% decline since 1985. Ladybugs: 50% reduction in 20 years. Across the border in Germany: a 75% decline in flying insects since 1989. It doesn't take much of a scientist to see the trend. I've been hiking the forests here multiple times per week for…

Is there a push to move to smaller regenerative farms occurring?

Probably better to stop propping up the small farms and let the unproductive land be reclaimed by nature. Extensively use pest resistant GMO crops to increase yields on less land and overall lessen the land needed for farming. At the same time, lessening sprawl would be quite helpful. I see plenty of people 'move out to the country' and then spray pesticides over their entire 5 acre lawn.

Re: Why are there so few dead bugs on windshields these days?

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It's a worldwide thing. An urbanized population does not care about nature. At all. Modern life is almost fully abstracted away from it, and it seems fine to destroy it for as long as our delicate lifestyle remains intact. Every once in a while, we watch a documentary like Planet Earth. It inspires even the most cynical stoic. And we feel terrible about our negative role. But the next day we go on as usual. And as so…

> as soon as a tiny thing is asked of us to better the course Well, I also see a lot of people who do the tiny thing but not the big thing. Plenty of people around me are reducing their meat intake (and are vocal about it), because climate change, but still fly on airplanes, some multiple times a year. It's so incredibly frustrating that many people are just green washing their lives, but are oblivious to the fact th…

Respectfully, I think your take on this does not work.

If before you have a frequent flyer that regularly eats meat, and next they stop eating meat, that is to be celebrated. It's still massive progress. Further, their footprint from flying may improve over time as airlines are investing in sustainability.

From flying 3 times a year to 2 times a year is big progress. From eating lots of meat to somewhat less, is progress.

By implying footprint perfection, it all becomes very reductive and people will reject it. With that mindset, you'll be able to find "dirt" on anyone. I mean, how very polluting must David Attenborough be?

As for bettering the course regarding insects, I wasn't even suggesting CO2 reduction. Just introducing some small spaces where wildflowers can grow, and they will come. It takes almost nothing.

Re: Why are there so few dead bugs on windshields these days?

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Ants are certainly smarter than mice. Ants also have a complex range of psychological responses. (Not sure I'd call them "emotions" since we're obviously too distantly related to them to have a meaningful reference here, but whatever.)

Ants have very interesting learning behaviour, but I don't think you can really say they're "smarter" than a mouse, or even "intelligent" (depending on your exact definition of that). You can teach a computer English better than the average human (see e.g. Grammarly), but that does not make the computer smarter. The learning behaviour of ants is certainly amazing, but very limited in scope. Ants can response to their…

> or just a piece of machinery responding in a pre-programmed way?

Is a mouse responding in a pre-programmed way? I'd say you're just showing mammalian bias here.

> given the tiny size of their brains compared to higher animals I think it's fair to say the machinery for any kind of emotion just isn't there

First of all, a whale isn't necessarily smarter than a monkey just because it has a much bigger (physically) brain. Secondly, an individual ant really isn't, because genetically the ant colony is a single unit.

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