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Symbian Was Right

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Re: Symbian Was Right

#11

Symbian and reliability was never a thing. I worked at Nokia at the time, the various Nokia phones I had rebooted more than windows 95 back in the day. Also, they were slow and the UI was pretty bad. As for battery life, my Pixel 6 is fine. Easily lasts two days on a battery. I had a cheap Nokia Android phone before that; also fine. Stable, just worked. Fine battery life. Symbian was pretty much obsolete before it la…

Things were simpler back then - nokia phones saved the sim pin into memory and had watch dog timers that would just reboot the phone if it locked up and use the in memory pin to unlock the sim.

If you didnt happen to be watching the display at the time you would never know it rebooted.

Re: Symbian Was Right

#12
There were Android forks in the past that were security focused, I had one years ago on a HTC phone that would offer fake contacts/camera/gps to apps and you could deny network access per app on mobile and/or wifi.

I haven't seen anything like that for a long time.

Re: Symbian Was Right

#13
> Symbian was right all along in its approach to mobile OS development.

From what you wrote i'd say that PalmOS was most likely more "right" - after all their motto was that they didn't compete with other PDAs, but with pen and paper and because of that everything had to be instant.

Also IME having worked with SymbianOS (at least the versions found in mobiles like Nokia 6600, never tried the later ones using Qt) the development experience was beyond abysmal. I remember at a job years ago i made a graphical application - it took me less than an hour to implement the core functionality of the application but about a month to make the full application. This includes writing everything about the UI from scratch using the framebuffer functionality it had because the official APIs were so convolutely braindead that it was impractical to work with them - it was much faster to do everything from scratch and avoid the SymbianOS as much as possible. The amusing bit (in hindsight) was when someone form Symbian visited us they were impressed we managed to make the application in a single month and "normally" we'd need six months for it - meanwhile i had... evil thoughts about their OS (i maintained a polite facade though, i think :-P).

(later i was told by someone else that this was because SymbianOS was originally meant to work on much weaker hardware, but IMO that was a bad excuse since they never maintained backwards compatibility so they could have cleaned up their APIs, not to mention that SymbianOS added so much unnecessary complexity that a much simpler API would actually be both faster and easier to work with)

PS. i never worked with PalmOS myself so it might be as bad or worse than SymbianOS but from a quick glance at a couple of tutorials it seems straightforward to program

Re: Symbian Was Right

#14
post #4

Symbian was used and developed in a time before "always-online" was a thing. Check the battery life of your smartphone without internet connection. You'd be surprised. Also, Symbian phones did not have more than 2" displays, that were also very dark (compared to modern day >1000 cd/m² oled stuff). without any installable app (forget that shitty java mobile crap), the OS running on a specific phone was fragile and pro…

Symbian had installable apps. For my Nokia 3650, I installed an updated video recorder from Nokia to record video and audio. And some games that were meh, and RealPlayer.

You're right that battery power with internet was trash. I recall the battery draining in 30-60 minutes if I was actively (WAP) browsing or streaming music.

Later versions of Symbian worked better, but I didn't run them. WhatsApp ran on Symbian and there was no platform push, so it had to stay connected to the servers; when I was there, we would routinely see Symbian users who had been connected for 30+ days.

Re: Symbian Was Right

#15

> Symbian was right all along in its approach to mobile OS development. From what you wrote i'd say that PalmOS was most likely more "right" - after all their motto was that they didn't compete with other PDAs, but with pen and paper and because of that everything had to be instant. Also IME having worked with SymbianOS (at least the versions found in mobiles like Nokia 6600, never tried the later ones using Qt) the…

> the official APIs were so convolutely braindead that it was impractical to work with them

Examples:

- https://docs.huihoo.com/symbian/nokia-symbian3-developers-li...

- https://www.developer.com/mobile/mastering-symbian-os-descri...

Re: Symbian Was Right

#17
Palm os based Sony Clie PEG-SJ20 Handheld is the most comfortable, handy and effective personal digital assistance I've had so far.

iPhone is still yet to keep up in some tiny but crucial UX and usability details (like auto context menus for contact names in any text field, amazing cursor management etc.)

But they lost in other aspects. So it doesn't make any sense to say " was right".

Re: Symbian Was Right

#18
post #4

Symbian was used and developed in a time before "always-online" was a thing. Check the battery life of your smartphone without internet connection. You'd be surprised. Also, Symbian phones did not have more than 2" displays, that were also very dark (compared to modern day >1000 cd/m² oled stuff). without any installable app (forget that shitty java mobile crap), the OS running on a specific phone was fragile and pro…

> Symbian was used and developed in a time before "always-online" was a thing.

I remember that someone commented many moons ago (2000s) that 'less we talk about being "online" the more being online will become important'.

Back in the day, you were online when your home modem dialed into your ISP. Or when you were either at home or at work where you could get a wired Internet connection. Now, with wireless, we're (potentially) online all the time.

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